Nissan must of lost a lot of sales to Toyota with Cab Chassis"s

Axle!! Its really hard to believe that Nissan or Renault couldn't build or source a decent 6 cylinder engine to replace the 4.2 td donk.. And to think they continue with that unreliable 3 litre 4 cylinder. How they sell anything at all in the Patrol range now that the 3 litre is it only engine available is beyond me.. This is my second purchased new, GU 4.2 and if i was thinking to replace my current ageing 4.2, i would buy a Toyota 200 series diesel, regardless of the improvements made to the 3 litre motor, I just couldnt bring myself to buy a 3 litre Patrol.. Michael

At least with Nissan in the race there was some healthy competition.
There is only the Defender now in the big ute class and no one really wants to got there if they are serious about a work ute.

Axle,
I like your post. As a person who has owned and still does own a Toyota I am going to answer your post.

I don't have one eye and I also believe in brands competing for top dog in the market place. It is a shame Renault have demolished all the work Nissan did bringing their vehicles up to the level of the Tojo's. Before anyone gets up me for what I have said I will give an explanation. The Toyotas earned their rep from places like Bougainville, New Guinea, stations and mining. The Nissans were up there but the main problem then was their weight and rusting bodies. They had the best gearboxes and diffs in the business. Have seen them tried underground but all the mines went back to Toyota at that time due to chassis's, bodies and parts.

The 3l Patrol has dragged them down and down and down from the issue of reliability and warranty (remember mines don't get warranty and all the cost is born by them.)

Exploration have 3 at work. Cost!!! 1 engine and one blown turbo and electrical problems for very little work done by the utes. Where I worked they had problems with the V8 Toyotas until they installed low water alarms (all these electronics and they still don't come with something that simple). They still don't like the V8's as they don't need that power and where the a/c's and alternators are mounted causes bulk problems. Last night on nightshift I drove one through an underground puddle twice with the water over the bonnet and it will be only a matter of time before the alternator or a/c compressor. Before anyone says I have done this a heap of times with my V8 cruiser and have no problems. The water I am talking about would rust gold.


Yes!!! Toyotas fail and have problems but the reason mines and stations pick them is they have less problems which equates to less $

At the moment with the price of Toyotas starting to bite they are looking around at other products. As the head of Light vehicles said to me. Nissans will not be looked at.

These are facts and I am not a one eyed Toyota owner.

Have a good one,
RA.

Just bought a new 76 series wagon should have waited now that toyota are bringing out a dual cab land cruiser.

G'day Axle,
I agree. I've got the 4.2 Ute (which I traded in a LandCruiser for and the thing has awesome torque - we pull a 6 tonne swather tractor around during harvest and the 4.2 is a excellent tow vehicle. But after owning 3.0L wagon, I won't be buying a 3.0L ute when this one is due for a change.
In my opinion, while turbos and intercoolers are good, you can't beat cubic capacity!
Cheers
Corrugate

Hi Axle,

I liked the old 4.2lt patrol. It was a solid ute with good motor, suspension and diffs. The greenies put a stop to it with the pollution standards.

Its not good to have no competition it makes companies lazy.

Cheers Wilko

I am pleased that the middle son did not wait. He got a 2008 4.2td Patrol. I think it is a GU! Always mix them up.

Personally we have a 100. The comments about competition may well be true. Without it I also worry that Toyota may drop some of theirs. If we ever need a replacement then this possibly lowering of standards is a worry. One reason we got the 100 instead of the Patrol was the slightly longer rear allowing us to comfortably sleep in the back lengthwise when all "extra" seats were removed. It was that close.

Phil

Hi Axle,

Thread 91567 touched on this very issue. In my reply 9 of 15 (Hmmm reminds me of a Star Trek series...no that was 7 of 9 yum) I laid out why a mate of mine bought a 6 cyl NA Patrol trayback diesel over the equivilant Landcruiser. For $10,000 less who wouldn't. Now I am a current Toyota owner and most of my 4WD's have been of this marque but if I was to have been in the market when both of these brands had 6 cyl NA and Turbo diesels Mr Toyota would have had to have put a hell of a lot sharper point on his pencil to convince me buy his product. I personally wouldn't consider the 3.0lt Patrol and I must admit that apart from the grunt factor I have reservations about the Toyota V8. Geeze...I might have to go and have a look at a Landrover....think I will keep my old banger for a while...lol

Cheers
Pop

I have to agree with others regarding Nissan’s slide in reputation, which is disappointing.

I also own a GU Patrol that’s getting on in years and high in km’s - (the third Nissan I’ve owned) and there’s no doubt my next 4WD will not be a Nissan - more’s the pity.

As to what I’ll buy next? I don’t know yet, but probably a Toyota.

We recently toured in some of the mining areas in WA and I was surprised at the number of Great Wall utes we saw.

They are not my type of vehicle, but as a work vehicle and if used mainly for local driving the bean counters in mining companies must see a serious advantage in about a third of the upfront price of other vehicles.

The same situation would arise for a tradie wanting a ute for local work.
At a much lower initial outlay you’d have to seriously watch for reports (good or bad) about the Great Wall and size them up.

Jim

Sure, Nissan have put in a bad motor and lost sales.
But Toyota make some average decisions too - they release the FJ Cruiser without a diesel motor (but this vehicle has no competition); they never had a TD/rigid axle in the 100series.... etc etc

But I like the way things have evolved. My 2002 TD traytop cost me $41k in 2004. After 8 years of ownership, its currently worth $35k thanks to Nissan's incompetence, Toyota's incompetence (teething probs with the V8) and the mining boom! The HDJ79 might go down in history as being the best of the traytops ever built?

I say don't change a thing :-)

Cheers
Phil

Nissan should have dumped the 3.0lt engine years ago, Even if the new 3.0 engine is good no one will by it because of the 3.0 reputation

They should have called it something else like 3.2 or something. They need to get away from the stigma of the old 3.0 engine.

Toyota have such a dominance in the ute market with the V8 Manual that I cant see anyone challenging them for some time. Some like the GWall may in the short term because of price, however will they stand up to the mining industry. I dont think so.

Cheers
Wayne B

could someone please tell me what is the problem with 3.0 litre patrols i have a 2007

could someone please tell me what is the problem with 3.0 litre patrols i have a 2007