CooperA/T Vs BFG A/T for Pajero NL
Submitted: Thursday, Apr 04, 2002 at 00:00
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Rod Harper
Guys (and girls) - I am shortly setting of for a round oz adventure (camper caravan and 4 kids)and in need of new rubber. The reality is that 25 of the 30000Kms will be on bitumen, and then when we get back it will still be mainly bitumen use. The quandry is that I want a capable off road tyre - but a good bitumen tyre - hence the toss up between the Cooper and BFG. I have seen many endorsements for the BFGs but not so many for the Coopers. An inspection of the carparks favours the BFGs as
well. Any comments are most welcome.
Reply By: Rod - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
I think you have answered your own question.
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Reply By: Mike - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Rod, I've been wearing BFGs on my Jackaroo for about 55000kms and am extremely happy with them. Road hold in in wet or dry on bitumen is first class and the performance off road can't be faulted. I've had them in sand, mud and snow but the performance is always excellent. Road noise is not a problem either. Oh, and no punctures since they were fitted. Happy trails, Mike.
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Follow Up By: Charl Makssi - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
mike you answerd
well when you stated first class road holding in the WET which is often over looked. from my experience the all terrain's do an excellent job all round, although nothing is perfect.
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Reply By: Kev - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
G'day Rod from what i understand these are both excellent tyres however the coopers are about twice the price but also come with a warranty the BFG's dont (and can also cost you twice if you put a
rock through one after 600km)... have fun.
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Reply By: Mark - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Kev,
I was quoted $247 for the Cooper ST (new model) size 235/70 R16 and $234 for BFG AT's, so price difference is marginal.Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kelly - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
I have got the Cooper ST on my Discovery they cost $2.00 more per tyre compared to BFG AT. The Cooper is
miles in front. However I couldn't get the size 235/70 R16 as suggested by Kev, I don't think that you can get that particular size I couldn't in Jan 2002. Nearest for me was 245/75 16.
Check warrentees and insurance if getting a different size type from OE. I have all my extras noted on my insurance policy this gives me some protection. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mark - Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Friday, Apr 05, 2002 at 00:00
Kelly,
I can only assume Coopers now do a 235/70/ R16 as I asked for a price on this size and thats what the dealer quoted me on. I will have to
check with them next week. As you have fitted the ST's how many K's have you put on them? do you find them noisy on tarmac? how are they in sand when running lower pressures?. I am up for a new set of skins so would be interested to here your findings. I was keen to go with BFG AT KO's but heard there have been a few problems with the later ones splitting where the tyre meets the rim and prone to chipping by gibber rocks, most seem happy with the BFG's however, but theres always room for improvement eh!
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Follow Up By: Kev - Saturday, Apr 06, 2002 at 00:00
Saturday, Apr 06, 2002 at 00:00
Guy's where the hell are you getting your tyres???? the best price i can get on BFG's is $255 in and around
adelaide!
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Follow Up By: Deano - Saturday, Apr 06, 2002 at 00:00
Saturday, Apr 06, 2002 at 00:00
The 235/70/16 is a Passenger construction, whereas the 245/75/16 is LT. There is about 3mm differance in the tread pattern and the load index is significantly different.
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Reply By: ray - Monday, Apr 08, 2002 at 00:00
Monday, Apr 08, 2002 at 00:00
I HAD THE SAME QUESTION 2 MONTHS AGO COOPERS OR BFG I BOUGHT THE BFG A/T KO TYRES AND THAT WAS A BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE THE OLD BFG A/T ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYRE .THEY WERE THAT IS WERE GOOD TYRES BUT ARE NOW A VERY SOFT RUBBER.I HAVE HAD SEVERAL PUNCTURES ALL IN THE SIDEWALLS EVEN AFTER ONLY 100ks.LOOKING AROUND THE CAR PARK
CHECK TO SEE IF THE BFGs ARE OLDER ONES OR NEW KOs IF KOs LOOK AT THE CAR TO SEE IF IT GOES OFF ROAD OR NOT.I HAVE BEEN OFF ROAD TWICE WITH
MINE I DONT DARE RISK IT AGAIN.BUY THE COOPER TYRES LOOK AT WWW.COOPERTIRES.COM.AU
CHECK OUT THE ST ALL TERAIN 10.7% STRONGER THAN BFG
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Follow Up By: Ray - Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
I HAVE NOT GOT THE COOPERS YET DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUY 5 32X11.5X15 BFG ALL TERAINS ALMOST NEW 1000ks WITH MULTIPLE PUNCTURES AND PATCHES ON THE SIDEWALLS
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Reply By: Sam - Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Coopers all the way. I have just fitted a set of Cooper S/T's to my Hilux Dual Cab and they are just unbelievable. Very capable off-road, and the added bonus is they are pretty good on the black top aswell, even on wet bitumen, these tyres grip.
I know many other people that have fitted the S/T's and have had nothing but praise for them. And the 80,000km warranty is also very attractive.
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Follow Up By: Mark - Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Sam/Ray
Do you find the ST's nosier on the road than normal AT tyres. I spoke to Coopers and they recommended I go for the Cooper AT's as I do about 50/50 on-off road, if they are quiet enough and grip on wet tarmac then I think I would rather go the ST as it seems to be a tougher tyre than the AT.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Sam - Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Tuesday, Apr 09, 2002 at 00:00
Mark
It depends on the type of bitumen used for the road.
I actually thought the S/T's were quieter than the crappy Firestone's i had on (which were basically slicks - and came with the vehicle)
but I haven't noticed much change from the Firestone to the Coopers in terms of noise
I don't notice it too much anyway as the 2.8 diesel isn't exactly what you would call quiet.
And from other people's accounts, I have heard they are quieter than other tyres of similar tread
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Follow Up By: Donalddasher - Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
read the fine print on the 80,0000 klicks warranty. if the tyres are damaged in any way it will be null and void.
cheers
donalddasher
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Follow Up By: Donalddasher - Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
oops should be 80,000 klicks
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Reply By: Keith - Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
Sunday, Apr 21, 2002 at 00:00
Gidday to potential Pajero new tyre buyers,
Iv'e had Goodrich all terrains,on my Paj,never again but,Iv'e had a
rock punch a hole through the tread of a brand new Goodrich,I mean you can have bad luck,if that had been the only problem,I would have worn it.
But;no it wasn't,I had three others let me down,by parting company where the tyre was joined in the Volcanizing process.
Sooo! enter Cooper ST,I do find them a bit noisy on the bitumen,but that's a small price to pay for their off road ability,which I find very good,be it
rock,mud,or sand.
I tow a Kimberly Camper and have been in some
places where we would have been in a lot of trouble [steep rocky climbs back out, ie. sharp trap
rock]if we had not had the traction that the ST tyres provided.
I can honestly reconmend,that you will not go wrong with them,even if most of your running is on the black stuff.
Cheers
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