Are the permits lawfully required?

G’day Val,
I will apply. Probably sometime within the next month. I will let you know how the process went.
Myles.

G’day Kev,
I visited this site before I posted my query but I had an idea that their authority was challenged when a solicitor was fined for camping without a permit and he won in court.
I think Vince knew something of this. I will MM him.
Regards
Myles.

Sorry, I should have said also that they have had the authority to require permits for quite a while. They are currently issued under s.100 of the Rural Lands Protection Act 1998. I can't remember what the arlier provision was.

teege

These permits have been in force far longer than the permits that have to be applied for to travel through some restricted areas elsewhere in Australia.
I remember, as a former member of the PP Board which was prior to the RLPB and now the current system, of issues relating to camping a long time ago.
DW

G’day Kim,
I ditched the tent and bought a trailer to carry the permits.
Myles.

I was in a car club that was holding an event next to a travelling stock route.
We were told by council that there was to be no camping on the stock route and we advised all attending that this was the case.
We were told by some aboriginal people who were also attending the meet that they where exempt from this requirement as they are allowed to camp without a permit.
Not to sure if it was a porky.

Honky

Honky
This is like a fishing license and it is true that the aboriginal people do not need a permit to camp on a TSR.
After all we are one country, I thought, but not all are equal.
DW

Mark,
You’re good. Did you recognized the trees in the back ground?
Myles.

Myles

hahaahaha....yep :-)

Andrew…. I had to look it up…. quasi-autonomous non-governmental organization.
Yep, hence my query about how easy they are to access. It appears no one reading this thread has applied. I’ll advise in a new thread when I go through the process.
Myles.

Myles,

It might be better if you reported back in this thread. Keeps all the relevant info in one thread rather than have to search for part 2, 3, 4 ....... etc

Regards

G’day Gramps,
The reason I said a new thread is because this may be in archives before I go through the process of applying for a permit. Is it still better to add to this thead even if it is old when I have something new to add?
Myles.

Myles,

Bugger !!! Good point re archives. IMHO it is better to add to this thread if it has'nt been archived by then.

Regards

The thread will only archive if there has been no updates for over 30 days. So basically the system will auto archive threads that have had no recent updates. So if you do it within 30 days that will keep it open.
David

Fair comment Teege, not that I said anything to the contrary other than I needed a trailer for all my permits and I thought their authority had been challenged in court.
I didn’t comment on your previous post… as I said I had already visited that site.
Thanks for your contribution.
Myles.

If my camp site was overrun by 500 steers I'd merely think that someone had ordered a bbq dinner and it had been delivered.

: )

Jack

This is my camp from a few days ago. I love cows in camp… they’re not bad medium rare either.
Myles.
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Myles.
Thanks a lot LOL
The cows wandered up to our camp site.
Kip was too tired to bark at them.
Vince

Is that atlas "The Long Paddock" (only thing I could see on their site that could show location of all TSRs)? And was there a cost?

Yes it was 'The Long Paddock' I ordered it from the Bathurst office from memory it could have been around $40.00.

Most of the TSR's listed in the book are not used, they don't form a part of any continuous track network, most seem to be isolated blocks in remote rural areas, but I haven't been able to identify the areas on the ground.

Michael

Thanks Michael
You'll find that they are separate blocks and that the continuous track is formed by the road verges in between those blocks.

Yep it's not often one sees them with a mob of driven cattle on them.

There is usually some form of signage to indicate that the area is a TSR (ususally small signs, hanging on the fence and most likely weather affected and thus hard to spot). They will usually be fenced but sometimes the fencing isn't the best.

BTW - what sort of info does that book provide regarding the location of the TSRs? I don't want to waste $40 if it doesn't provide reasonably good location details.

Cheers from the Moose

Not being a member here I can't insert an image.

There are 63 maps of NSW showing major and minor roads and rivers and railways. TSR's are indicated by stars on these roads each one is numbered and another page supplies the Grid Ref, Name of the TSR, Its area and what water is available.

I can email you a scan of a typical page if you like

Michael

Thanks heaps Michael
No need for the scan. Sounds good - next time I'm in NSW and near an office I'll see if I can grab one.

Michael46,

You don't have to be a Member to insert an image. Just load it up somewhere like Photobucket etc and use the IMG info to point to it e.g.

Try this for a glimpse at what is in the The Long Paddock

Sorry about the size. My first go at this

Michael

AJ
I think you are right. I've always taken the view that "camping" was to be taken separately from the camping by stockmen in charge of stock. - WRONG!!! The Act says this:

"97 Authorised use of travelling stock reserves for recreational activities

(1) A person is authorised to use a travelling stock reserve (whether controlled or managed) or part of any such reserve on any day between sunrise and sunset for any recreational activity prescribed by the regulations, subject to this Act and any conditions prescribed by the regulations"
The regulation (reg 26) lists a number of activities but does not include camping. Which is to be expected when one considers that the activity can only be carried out between sunrise and sunset. see regulation
So it seems that recreational camping is not permitted in TSR's. AND, I don't have a problem with that, given their importance to the rural community. Unfortunately, we would also have to take into consideration the way that some campers could be expected to leave the area if they were permitted to camp.

It just goes to show, you really have to check on the law itself, not what some public servant has interpreted it to be, or, in this case, what I had interpreted the website information to mean.

AJ.
Our 4wd club used to camp at Cangai TSR(60135).
We sought permission from the Grafton Office & usually had written approval within 2/3 days.
We had Public Liability insurance which was shown on the RLPB approval.

Cheers.
Vince

Vince B (NSW) - note your comments about the 4wd club - you permit could have been issued under a community use permit - the original post appears to indicate camping is allowed - By having a permit Grafton is aware of who is camping there - noticed both are coming out of the same office.

The web site does not give you any clear answer.

Dubbo office says no to camping in TSR.

Is the issue of permits for camping at the discretion of each office?


A J