Animals on Roads
Submitted: Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:34
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FlyPest
Back in the day - when doing Wildlife work for the govt and in a remote locale with no local FAWNA volunteers to rescue injured wildlife - we would get many the urban tourist
rock into the CALM (DEC) Office, to report they had struck a roo and it was thrashing in the bushes at the so and so kilometer peg on such and such road.
Fact.
Most road trauma roos are broken legged and thus unsaveable.
Fact
They are not as yet a threatened species - so hard to justify a vets bill maybe in the many $1000's to attempt a rescue on the dept budget
Fact
After assuring the urban terrorists (oop's tourists) that we would rush straight out to save it (in order to assuage their guilty conscience for travelling too fast near dusk and hitting it in the first place) I would wait for them to depart on their trip - then book the Dept 12 gauge outta the departmental gun safe, pop it in the dept 4wd ute and go put the thing outta its misery in a quick humane way.
Fact.
IMHO - those who travel country roads at a speed sufficient to hit roos etc ought take on the personal responsibility that goes with driving like an idiot and do their own euthanasia, insteada landing the unpleasant job in someone esles lap be it the local vet or wildlife official.
Fact.
Only a month or so back RSPCA charged a couple youths with euthanasing a injured roo roadside with a hammer.
What a screwed up nanny state fulla doo gooders we live in!
Just my 2c from past experience.
Cheers
Reply By: Member - Lotzi (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:22
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:22
Agree, 2 cents
well spent, food for thought, for others . . .
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Reply By: Fred G NSW - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:22
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:22
If we all drove roadtrains, LOL, you would not have this dilemma.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:27
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:27
So Roachie is in the clear then ROTFLMAO
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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:29
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:29
:-)))
HNY
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Follow Up By: Volvo driver - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:31
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 09:31
a FH Volvo will do it too..LOL
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Reply By: Wilk0 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:08
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:08
Hear Hear Flypest,
Your dead right. If the RSPCA did charge them, Then they have succumbed to stupidity. They should be made to feel ashamed of themselves.
If its true I've lost all respect for this otherwise great association.
I always euthanase the unfurred joeys that I find in the pouchs when I happen to unfortunatly hit the mothers.
That is the cruelest thing that the do gooders dont do, They allow the joeys to starve slowly to death by not checking the pouchs
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Reply By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:08
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:08
Sometimes this happens:
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 13:09
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 13:09
Only if you hit a deer in Germany
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Follow Up By: Member - Donks1 (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 16:30
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 16:30
Thats a direct hit.... What is / was it ??
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 16:45
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 16:45
I am not sure Steve what it was - it was not my car.
Bonz seems to think it was a deer - that maybe correct.
I don't think you can tell as the animal is too far damaged.
Here is a second photo - but it doesn't help midentify it.
(The point I was making in the post is that sometimes the animal is not left on the side of the road with broken legs etc - its possible to lodge in the car engine bay itself):
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Cheers
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:02
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:02
It was a fallow deer hit at quite a rate of knots (around 140-160
MILES per hour on an Autobahn I believe, more pics
HERE
All I can say is not wonder venison is so expensive when you see how they catch them in Europe.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:12
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:12
OH Dear!
;)
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 21:00
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 21:00
Deer alight. It'll cost a fortune to clean up.
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:30
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:30
It wasn't me I didn't see a thing.LOL
I have actually been having a laugh at cars trying to get up the road with 6 inches of snow on it this morning.
It has been amusing to watch people drive on the autobahns here, Merc's Audi's BMW's and Volvo's all have a built in right of way apparently, the rest of us just have to have split second reflexes and timing.
Cheers Steve
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 13:28
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 13:28
Missing a Koala cost this woman her life.
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I find it weird that they have not moved it, Oh
well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:39
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:39
Probably evidence for the coroner at that stage....
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:51
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 18:51
Your probably right Scott.
Thats why most H/ways are closed for hours after.
Why can't they, with modern tech, take photo's.
Thats right,
The coroner has to fly to the seine, have a look about, go to the local RSL or Pub have a liquid lunch, come back to the seine, just to make sure they understand it, then fly back.
Yep, gotta have that first hand experience.
A bit cynical I know.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 20:37
Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 20:37
The emergency
services probably have not seen the Koala. They would be focussed, rightly, on the people involved.
Trust me the rescuers are only interested in doing what they can for the human victims of such an incident. Everything else is secondary including getting the road open. The Koala will be moved once the victims are removed. It will be done as part of the process of opneing the road and probably by a WIRES volunteer who is stuck in the traffic jam.
The reason so much time is taken over evidence gathering/investigation is that they don't want to be doing the same job in the same place again.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:22
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:22
Jon
I didn’t know koalas were native to France.
Or are you talking about the fishing? (seine nets)
In either case I doubt whether Australian traffic cops would be investigating
However, the investigations undertaken at the scene will form part the depositions at the coronial inquest and depending on this may be used as part of the evidence in a criminal trial.
You apparently want to base a case to determine a person’s
liberty or freedom on a few happy snaps taken by the local copper.
Cynicism is a fine art which needs to be practised more in the community, however casting cynical aspersions towards people doing jobs that most of the
population would not have the physical or mental toughness to cope is in doubtful taste (especially as your main complaint seems to be that the roads are closed for too long)
I’ve known enough cops and emergency personal to understand the informal debriefing/counselling that is undertaken in a pub after attendance at a horrific crash not to begrudge somebody doing this
If you have proof that these investigators are acting in the unprofessional behaviour which you allege, I assume you are in the process of reporting this to the appropriate authorities
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:42
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:42
Nargun51,
France.?
Fishing Nets?
Hey, I didn't say anything about "cops and emergency personal" going to the pub.
You have completely lost me?
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 13:58
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 13:58
Jon
Your quote… (my upper case)
“The coroner has to fly to the SEINE”
“…go to the local RSL or Pub have a liquid lunch, come back to the SEINE”
The Seine is a river in France
A seine net is a fishing net
My interactions with Coroners Court have been limited, but I have known them to attend scenes of fatalities, as you say to get an understanding of the scene which cannot not conveyed by paper or photos. In Victoria the Coroner does not attend the scenes of all fatalities.
As I said, your cynicism is worthy, but if you believe and are willing to express this opinion in a public
forum that the Coroner is sucking at the public teat by getting free trips and using the time to have liquid lunches, this is obviously a matter that should be brought to the attention (in writing with the relevant proof) of your State’s Attorney General.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 14:19
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 14:19
Nargun51
Whatever mate,
"Seine"
A spelling mistake, get over it.
A bit touchy about the Coroners Court. Oh
well, Sorry to of stepped on toes.
And by the way I except your apology, that I wasn't having a go at the "cops and emergency personal".
Cheers.
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Reply By: Top End Explorer - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:40
Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 01:40
We often have customers ask if it is safe to travel at night from
Kakadu to
Darwin after the tour, I tell them it is, but they must drive no more than 100 kph and don't swerve for animals.
Then I tell them a story that happened a few years ago, this is true.
A German family saved for a long time to come to Australia for an extended trip of a life time, when they arrived in
Darwin they hired a car and set off to
Kakadu 500 metres past the
Kakadu gates they swerved to miss a Goanna, they the slid off the road hit a tree and were all killed end of story.
Moral of the story drive safe, don't swerve for animals.
Cheers Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Wednesday, Jan 06, 2010 at 15:33
Wednesday, Jan 06, 2010 at 15:33
If it is a Big Ol Brahma Bull standing in the road looking like a Possum caught in the head lights I would probably steer in the direction from where he had just come from.
Anything smaller than that would I would put it down to bad luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Don't swerve, don't brake heavily, keep a good hold on the wheel and best to aim to hit in the middle of the vehicle.
Dead Humans cost more than dead animals.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Jan 06, 2010 at 16:08
Wednesday, Jan 06, 2010 at 16:08
Even before the current rain and flooding out here in the centre of Qld the roos were at plague proportions due to the shooters having to settle for pet food prices due to the Russian ban on roo meat imports , you would be stopping every 200 metres if you wanted to
check on the welfare of every roo "taking a nap" on the road.
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