jayco hawk camper trailer model yr1998

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 14:50
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looking thru archieves ive found so many disgruntled jayco owners! how can this be as they sell SO many, shorely people woudn't buy them if they are so bad? well they must be like me, didnt research and ask questions, now im on this site trying to get the damm thing to a standard where something doesnt fall off and break every time i go camping!
the thing i hate that every thing is STANDARD and the things that we want and expect for our money is an EXTRA!!
can people tell me the things that they have done to their camper to make it the quality it should have been when it came out off the factory!!
Im thinking off making a list off all the things ive done to make it work properly so others will be aware of what they are and aren't getting
maybe a seperate site or forum for this would be good as i'm spending more time in the garage fixing it than using it.. waiting for your ideas as new to this
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Reply By: ditchjumper - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 14:53

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 14:53
I will be watching this thread closely. We are looking at buying a new Jayco... being a later model, can I assume that they have changed somewhat?
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Follow Up By: AndrewX - Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 23:25

Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 23:25
Don't even think about the later models. Have a mate who traded his late model on an earlier one. He still has problems. He's a slow learner. People buy because of the price then discover why they are cheap. Mate had wardrobes falling off wall amongst many other problems.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 15:25

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 15:25
I have had my Flamingo now for over a year -- No bits have fallen off it - or had any issues as yet --- what issues have you had ??



Boc
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Follow Up By: techo2oz - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 17:12

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 17:12
Boc,
have had my Swan for nearly 2 years now, (2004 model) and nothing fallen off or broken.

I have added bits, but that was to suit my style of camping but otherwise very happy.

Maybe just the earlier models. But I guess they would also be showing their age as well.

Peter
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Reply By: tazbaz - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 16:07

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 16:07
Try the Jayco Users Goup: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/JUGA/
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Reply By: Member - Terry W (ACT) - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 17:41

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 17:41
We had a Jayco Penguin Outback which we bought new, had for 2 years and just traded on a new 20 foot Jayco Sterling Outback.
We did have a few very minor issues, but after a number of trips around SA, NSW and Vic from the ACT, including some pretty interesting corrugated country roads, we expected some.

The first issue was when Pam pulled the leg off the table trying to drag a bag out which I had packed behind the leg while it was up. The screws pulled out from under the table, and I replaced them with bolts through from the top. Hardly a major issue.

The second issue was that I fitted an ALKO Powermover jockey wheel, which eventually tore the thread out of the clamp on the A frame. This was a bit more serious, but it is the standard ALKO clamp which everyone uses, but which is not strong enough for a Powermover. I any event, Jayco did not fit the Powermover so I can't blame them.

The third issue was a blocked gas regulator which Jayco fixed under warranty. This is a standard problem which affects just about everyone using the particular brand of regulator with a flexible pigtail from the gas bottle. The fix is to fit a copper pipe in lieu of the flexible hose.

The fourth issue was the TV connection. We bought a nice external antenna with a booster, but the booster didn't work. Eventually I read on the Jayco forum about someone who found his van antenna wiring had not been installed properly, and that was our problem also. The internal socket had been installed without removing the insulation from the braided cable, so there was no way that the antenna could be powered. Once I fixed that it was fine.

The final issue was the sullage outlet which is hidden under the van so that you have to kneel in the mud to fit the hose, and do this frequently since it is only a push on fit, and since it is vertical, the hose drops off from time to time. I re-routed the outlet to come out the side of the van behind the RH whel, and fitted a screw-on fitting which made it very easy to use and secure as well.

I also did a few other mods to make it more comfortable.

Jayco builds to a price, but in our personal experience, they provide good value for money. I don't mind a few minor handyman jobs when I look at the savings compared with other brands, and we looked at many before deciding to stay with Jayco.

Having said that, our Outback Sterling appears very sound structurally, and has just about everything we want internally, although surprisingly, Jayco would not run the rear view camera cables for our Eclipse system at manufacture, but it was very simple to run it along the chassis so thatwasn't a problem in the end.

I am quite impressed with some of the very clever design features in the Sterling, but also disappointed that Jayco has not "followed through" on so many little things. For example, underneath the van is a bugger's muddle. Everything works, but for a van supposedly designed for dirt roads, it is a big disappointment. There are fine wires from the water tank gauges etc flapping in the breeze where they are exposed to flying stones, and there is even a rigid PVC pipe running the full width of the van from under the shower in the near side rear corner to the off-side outlet, below the level of the chassis and completely unsupported and unprotected from rocks, as issome of the other wiring and plumbing.

The quality of the new van smacks of inadequately trained and supervised staff, and a lack of care and quality control. This is disappointing, but can be easily fixed with a bit of effort, and I am at least $10,000 ahead of where I would be with any of the other similar sized vans we considered, none of which came with a dirt road option included in the price. I can buy a lot of fuel with that saving.

The final reason we stayed with Jayco is that we have a very good dealer here in Canberra (actually Queanbeyan), so servicing etc is a breeze.

This is just our experience, for what it is worth, but we are happy overall with Jayco.

Terry and Pam
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Follow Up By: AndrewX - Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 23:36

Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 23:36
Problem is Terry and Pam all those things you've listed are the things you can see. As you say they smack of inadequately trained and supervised staff, and a lack of care and quality control. My worry would be did the same staff lift their game when working on the areas which can't be seen and was the poor quality control improved for the hidden areas? I bought an Evernew. It cost more than a Jayco and it will be worth more at resale time too. I didn't even consider Jayco because of hearing so many stories just like yours and it amazes me that people are still buying them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Terry W (ACT) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 09:05

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 09:05
Andrew I have no doubts at all about the structural integrity of both the camper and the van, which is the most important aspect. I did not have anywhere near the same confidence about the other brands that we looked at, where cosmetics such as admittedly lovely Tasmanian Oak kitchens and refrigerated wine coolers etc were clearly seen as more important than an adequate chassis for long life.

The point I was trying to make was that in our experience at least, Jayco does the important things well. The less important things are a source of disappointment but no more than that. Any half way competent handyman couuld tidy up the minor things that we found, and have a significant saving over buying a different brand. Others will no doubt have a different view on this, but that is how I see it. Proposed use is also important. If we were only planning on travelling on sealed roads, I might have been more amenable to some of the other brands, but we do a lot of dirt roads, and I am comfortable with the Outback Millenium chassis on the Jayco.

Finally, we continue to be astounded at the very low depreciation on Jayco products. We traded our camper after two years for only $1,500 less than the new price we paid for the camper, although we included the annexe ($1500), cover ($560) and Trigg Hitch (around $300 from memory) with the deal.

In the end I guess the choice comes down to whether you are happy with "off the rack" or want (and are prepared to pay for) "tailor made" for your particular application. Each has advantages and disadvantages, but we wanted "off the rack" so we could see what we were getting before we were committed to paying for it. We also got proven support and the convenience of dealing locally with a great team at Jayco Canberra.

Cheers,

Terry and Pam

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Reply By: PMK - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:21

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:21
We have a 2007 Jayco Eagle Outback & have so far taken it on the Plenty Hwy, Birdsville Track, Dimantina Dev Rd, Cordillo Rd, Strezlecki Track, Oodnadatta tk. & Various dirt/gravel & Bitumen Rds all the way to Cairns & back (to Melb) & through Central Aus. Only real problem, if it worries you, is that the dust does get in. I met a couple in Boulia with a Bushtracker they paid five time what mine cost & dust still got into thiers. So I guess you just have to get used to that.
We had to re cable tie the wires for the electric brakes back on to the axel as the plastic ties Jayco use tend to snap off when struck with stones. I replaced them with stainless steel cable ties.
I have also fitted a better stone guard to the water tank & to protect the water outlets, these are not normally covered & could be damaged by flying stones.
I think if you drive to the conditions & dont drive like the "Outback Label" means indestructable, there are many off road places you can take them.......
We love our Jayco & although we have only had it for 18 months now I'm sure with sensible driving habits it will last for many more.....& we do take it off road on most of our trips. They do represent good value for money even if they are built to a budget. the nearest equal is almost $10,000 dearer new. I'couldn't justify (or afford) that.

PMK
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Reply By: landed eagle - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:28

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:28
I have 1994 Eagle. Picked up second hand about 4 years ago.I just keep the winch and wind up mechanics lubed well and it has performed beautifully.
I have friends with very new Jaycos and I think I prefer the older ones.Less gadgets and fancy stuff means less stuff that can go wrong.Watched a mayt tinkering with this and that for ages while I'm enjoying a beverage and a rest.
I like to look on the van as somewhere secure to sleep at night and as bad weather protection.
An older van has had time for its bits to fall off already anyway.
Also dont have to worry about where the kids lean their bikes either!! Already has a few small battle scars so why worry? enjoy holidaying instead.
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Reply By: TD100 - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:37

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 19:37
MRMW,

i also own a jayco van (2007 destiny pop top) bought it new last year,purely purchased a jayco because it was 10 odd grand cheaper than any thing else with the layout we required.i was aware the build quality was not up to the rest of them but thats why they sell so many-purely price.the first trip we did in ours the bed box that the double bed sits on collapsed,had all the mounts on the box but had no screws into the wall.so i decided to pull the thing apart and glue/screw everything up again,i used all the existing screws plus i bought a pack of 100 screws and used nearly all of them,thats how many were missing.lots and lots of silly stupid things i fixed or modified and it is now a brilliant van.if you can fix/modify/alter things yourself i say then buy one,they are good value for money but if you cant-buy something else.once you have fixed all those stupid little things on it you will enjoy it. cheers and happy camping Paul
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Reply By: Dunaruna - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 20:07

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 20:07
The way I see it, Jayco are the KIA of the caravan world, cheap and a limited lifespan.

Don't get me wrong, I think they are good value and they do have some innovative ideas, but you get what you pay for. I just hope their cost cutting does not fall to AVAN standards.
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Follow Up By: ditchjumper - Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:46

Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:46
dunaruna, what .. in your opinion.. is the best quality caravan?
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Follow Up By: mannrivermudrwestler - Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 17:34

Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 17:34
guys i was talking about ''camper trailers'' and the things that go pear shaped with them and how to fix them and how you modified your camper ,not this is better than that etc
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Follow Up By: Dunaruna - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 17:55

Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 17:55
ditchdumper, I think there is quite a few good van builders but if I had to chose just one - evernew. Good quality at a reasonable price.
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Reply By: mannrivermudrwestler - Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 21:52

Sunday, Aug 10, 2008 at 21:52
sorry if opened up a can of worms i was just trying to get some feed back on your experiences with jayco campers and the problems you encountered, also i really was looking for those handy hints that fellow owners have for each other
is a campers age measured by its manufacture date or by the kls and the time its been used ie; 6wks a year x 10 years makes it 60weeks 30000kls old, would this be right?
oh i forgot i was on forum number60628 and got some great responces to my question thanks to hughesy and navarraman great to get help from others who share a common interest
thanks m.r.m.w
love your work
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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 18:16

Monday, Aug 11, 2008 at 18:16
Hi Mannrivermudrwestler,

No can of worms, just a good informative discussion. Should be more of them.

Very informative even the part about which is better than what etc.

Thats what this forum is about is it not?

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Follow Up By: Member - Terry W (ACT) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:29

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:29
Hi mannrivermudrwestler,


Sorry if my previous post did not give you what you were after. We used our Penguin Outback camper 4-6 weeks each of the two years we had it before trading it in on the new van. A lot of the kms we drove were on very rough corrugated country roads. The chassis, suspension and frame etc appeared to be very robust and I have no doubt about its longevity.

The specific mods we did to improve it were:

1. Replaced the standard cafe table attachment mechanism with a "mobile home" fitting, which allowed it to slide and to be simply removed when not required. A HUGE improvement.

2. Previously described sullage outlet mod. Another huge improvement in convenience and hygiene.

3. Padded the front and side around the front bed to match the bed head. This made a big difference to Pam who found the previously unpadded walls very cold. (on the Penguin, the bed does not slide out but is built into the front) This required the bed frame to be shortened slightly to allow it to lift past the new padding on the side wall.

4. Added a rear view camera to the centre of the spare wheel.

5. Added a pole carrier to carry the annex poles. Should be standard.

6. Replaced the mains pressure tap with an RV electric HWS tap. Outstanding, especially at wash up time, but sadly only when 240 volt power was available!

7. Added a Happy Wanderer external boosted TV antenna which proved useful when in range of a TV station.

8. Cut down the fairly silly "wardrobe" to the same height as the bench top to provide a place to store the coffee gear and a bench top to make the all important brew. Surprisingly this made a really big difference to the livability of the camper.

We also bought an annex which we used when we were camped for more than a couple of days and made a big difference.

We loved the camper, but being "mature" and lazy, we were seduced by the luxury of an en suite and the lack of effort to pack up a van as compared with a camper.

Another real advantage in our experience was the very low depreciation and ease of sale of Jayco. We are on our second Jayco, and our eldest son has just bought a new Jayco Flamingo based on our satisfaction with the Penguin.

Hope this is more what you were after. Feel free to PM me if you want any further info on the mods.

Cheers,

Terry and Pam
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:04

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:04
The reason you will hear of more problems with Jayco is because there are more of them than any other brand. They have about 45% of the market.

We've had a 2004 Freedom Pop Top and a 2005 Eagle Camper. A few minor quality issues, but nothing to get excited about. Jayco warranty back up is excellent.

They are outstanding value for money.

Jim.

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