using hand held uhf radio on french line simpson desert

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hi there was just wondering about getting a hand held uhf radio for our upcoming trip on the simpson desert over the french line - whether it will work or not??? thank you.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:41

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:41
Curly
Why wouldn't it work??
If it works in your backyard- no reason it shouldn't work anywhere. even in the Simpson Desert !!
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Reply By: curlyj - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:44

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:44
thank you
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Follow Up By: George_M - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:52

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:52
In the Simpson UHF units are good for vehicle-to-vehicle comms over a short distance - 5 to 10k, depending on the terrain, atmospheric conditions and the quality of your unit.

Also handy to hit the "scan" button regularly - you may detect UHF radio traffic from vehicles heading in your direction!

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Reply By: guzzi - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:51

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:51
Yes it will work.
Yes it will allow conversation within 1 to 5 km vehicle to vehicle, person to person, line of sight transmissions.
No it will not let you call for help, food, fuel, beer from where you are to the nearest help /supply point greater than 1 to 5 km away.
Is that what your question meant?
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:56

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:56
Curlyj,

It will and it won't. I used one (Uniden) on a Simpson crossing and it worked in some areas but not all. If you're in a convoy that gets stretched out a bit, it can be a very hit and miss affair. I'd prefer to use a vehicle mounted unit in future.

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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00
Why wouldn't it work in some areas??
Was there a 'cone of silence' over it at that stage???

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:14

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:14
Signman,

I was in a convoy of 11 vehicles. At times the handheld worked fine. At other times it did'nt. Don't know whether it was due to atmospheric conditions, terrain ( dips, dunes, etc ), or what. On the flat (highways etc) it worked fine. Did'nt really have the time to analyse what the problem was, I was too busy enjoying the trip hahahaha


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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00
curlyj

The main problem will be battery life. You will need to have it connected to the car to ensure the battery is fully charged.
I have seen this be a problem.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:07

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:07
I have a Uniden 0.5watt handheld that is left on scan so you can pick up an approaching convoy that may not be on channel 10. Just need to have it high up (say on the dash) so it works.

Naturally, it works best when at the top of a dune, and may work very little in between.

If we have someone in a group with only a handheld, they always get put in the middle.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:38

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:38
Do The same thing here Phil , and when normal country driving set it to ch 40 for truckies.
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41
We meet a Fritz in a Britz last year. He had a 0.5 W hand held.We could hear him comming for about 5 or six dunes as he called the crest of every one. He was having a ball. You do need to have it on scan if possiable as not every one will be on Ch 10.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:20

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:20
G'day Phil..

I agree all the way - that a 'suggested' designated channel for a particular area should be used (eg. Ch 10 for the Simpson)..
Why is it that some groups (especially some commercial Tag-a-longs) just don't adhere to it ??
and prefer to waffle on on their own channels- not even monitoring Ch 10 ????



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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 15:02

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 15:02
Signman,

The reason that I don't use ch10 when crossing the Simpson Desert and I class myself as a commercial tour operator is because of all the chatter from other convoys.

I followed a convey from Big Red to the Knolls turn off and the female in the lead vehicle did not stop talking.
Every time they crest a dune she would ask if any convey could hear her and that they had a convey of 6 with campers.
Every time a camper got stuck and this happened a lot, they had ch10 tied up while they backed the camper down and had more attempts at cresting a dune. This did not let up the whole time I was in radio range.

I might call that there is a big dip over the top of the next dune, and if there is a convey close they could talk over my message and also my convey might get a message not meant for them.

We also tend to chatter when on a trip and this would not be fair to other ch10 users in the area.

What I do do is have one vehicle mounted UHF, with the aerial on the front of the vehicle set on to scan all channels except ch16.
The other vehicle mounted UHF with the aerial on the back of the vehicle is on ch16 for convey use.

I think that at least one vehicle in a convey should have a UHF on scan all the time.

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Follow Up By: rayj - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:38

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:38
Wayne
As you seem to be pretty well up to speed on the Simpson crossing what is your thoughts on towing campers west to east as I am having talks with a group with a view to do it latr this year.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:56

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:56
rayj,

I am not keen on trailers in the Simpson Desert, or any desert. That is my own opinion.

If I was to take a camper across the Simpson Desert I would go on the Rig Road.

About 30k past Purni Bore turn right.
That will take you on to the WAA Line.
At Lynnie Junction turn right again.
This will put you on the Rig Road.
The track turns left and will take you past the Lone Gum Tree.
Follow this until you get to the Knolls track and turn left.
When you reach the French line turn right and follow the rising sun to Birdsville.
This is a longer way across but most of the dunes are clay capped making it a lot easier on the tow vehicle.
There is also less traffic going that way so the track should not be chopped up as much.

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Reply By: mfewster - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:15

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:15
Where you keep the handheld can be awkward. While you are dealing with dunes and it is when you are climbing a dune it is most handy to hear something incoming from the bloke that is approaching you up the other side of the dune and you wont want to be scrabbling around on the floor because it has just slid off the dash. A vehicle mounted set up is easier to handle, but you could get an adjustable mobile phone holder to mount the handheld UHF so it is always within easy reach.
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 13:37

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 13:37
What was I thinking of?? They must be a couple of the worst sentences I have ever written. That's the problem with stopping half way through writing something, then finishing it off without rereading the whole lot.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:00

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:00
Have another think :-))

If you are going to have trouble using (" for") a mike going up one side of a dune do you think the other guy is doing any better as he is bouncing up the other side ?

Probably best if you made your call when on top of a dune.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:03

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:03
Ooops also ! I meant ("scrambling for")
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:06

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 14:06
Yep, but it is the incoming messages that I am real keen to be aware of, and I just may not be on top of the dune when something of interest pops up.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:46

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:46
Hi Curlji

Most seem to agree that while this can work it is marginal.

I have tested a pair of 1/2 watt units and found they could not communicate over Big-Red from base to base.

If you go that way, I am reviewing pair of the following "Omdi" e-bay units and they are showing superior performance and equal the best full power brand name units for under $200 delivered.

Don't count on after sales backup with these.

They can come with every acessory required and mounted in a phone holder or something using their external mike they are surprisingly good. If you get time you can even fit a proper antenna or magnetic base one and they will be very effective.


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Reply By: jskogsta - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 13:12

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 13:12
You can pick 'Icom IC-F40GT 256ch 440-480MHz 4W hheld' radios from the US pretty cheap these days. NSI Radios have a special on their website, and I've just bought two. Got the sw kit + cable as well .. and they were dead easy to program and works like a charm. Only thing you need to do is to get one of those 220v power supplies (to 12v) from Dick Smith. Pretty happy with them so far ..

The NSI radio website with the special is here: http://nsiradio1.stores.yahoo.net/icic25444whh.html

Perfect complement with a car setup (got the GME 4400).

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 17:28

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 17:28
Careful - you'll have the self-appointed site radio policeman after you for using non type approved radios on public bands in Oz.

What's the shipping cost to Oz? Might get one myself for 70cm Amateur use.

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Follow Up By: jskogsta - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:40

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:40
>Careful - you'll have the self-appointed site radio policeman after you
>for using non type approved radios on public bands in Oz.

Oh well .. I'll live with that risk! ;-)

>What's the shipping cost to Oz? Might get one myself for 70cm
>Amateur use.

Hmm... 'not much'. Need to double check. I got 2 radios, 1 charger, 2 batteries, 2 holsters, cable and sw for ~569 AUD. Can't remember what the actual postage was ..

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Follow Up By: jskogsta - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:40

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 18:40
Sorry; that was all inclusive of postage as well, but I'll check what the actual postage was .. stay tuned..

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Follow Up By: jskogsta - Thursday, Mar 20, 2008 at 16:56

Thursday, Mar 20, 2008 at 16:56
Mike,

Just checked; shipping from the US to Melbourne was $35.15 USD.

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Mar 20, 2008 at 17:33

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Thanks Jorgen.

That's a reasonable price.

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