How can parents not know?????

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Our daughter is in the process of moving and has used our place to store her belongings. Her mountain bike was on the side verandah along with a few other items including my bike which has been there for almost three years. This evening Hubby realised that her bike is missing!!!!!!! it appears that some-one has just walked in and ridden off with it.
Now to put this into prospective, we live off the road, our drive way is 118 metres long and runs between four other neighbours, we are on 3/4 of an acre and our neighbours are on no less than 1/2 acres so it is not like they have just raced in off the road because they have seen it there. It is not an inside job!!!!!
My beef is, How can parents not know that their children have a new bike at home, it wasn't taken by someone in a vehicle because we can tell by tracks left when vehicles come in and all have been accounted for.

We are not happy campers to say the least, it gives one a bad feeling to know that someone who wasn't supposed to be here just coming in and stealing like that.

Sorry about the rant but I do feel better for it.

Oh for the days when you could leave the house and cars unlocked and no-one would touch a thing.

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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:17

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:17
It is not that parents wouldnt know .. they probably told the kids to do it or did it themselves .. where do you think kids learn that stuff ???

A bunch of abos have stolen 2 quadbikes from our neighbours property in broad daylight ... We are on 10 acre properties .. they drove in with a ute .. loaded to bikes while the workers were at lunch and took off withing seconds ...

suspicious neighbours of these people called police and they recovered the bikes .. pure luck ...

lots of things gotta change in this country to get these things sorted ..

hope you had insurance ... but probably will not pay because it wasnt secured ...

good luck
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:31

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:31
Yes she was insured but probably not worth claiming, was worth about $500 so by the time she pays excess and all the hassles she may as well forget the insurance.

The point is that they had the cheek (we don't expect this one to be aboriginals as they go around in groups and there was other things there including my bike that weren't touched,) to come in up the driveway and just take what they think, we do live in an area that doesn't have too many breakins but unfortunately it is school hols and there is always a increase at those times.

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Reply By: Hairy - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:23

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 01:23
I understand 100%.
We get that, and I read Yesterday our bashings and murders are 60 times that of NSW per capita!
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:54

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:54
Yeah, it is pretty bad isn't it??? Glad I'm older I don't have to be dragged into Northbridge, I can use the excuse that I need my shut eye!!!!

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Reply By: Member - Bentaxle - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 09:14

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 09:14
Those days are gone forever unfortunately, it's a sign of the times, lack of discipline and resect for others and their possessions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:55

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:55
"lack of discipline and respect for others and their possessions"

Spot on there Bentaxle

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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 09:46

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 09:46
Hi Dunworkin,
Odd how you posted this today.
My missus runs a small operation which does gardening and general block clearing.
Earlier this week she was contacted by a client who owned a small rental property in town which the tennant had previously done a runner. The landlord asked my missus to arrange all the contents to be removed and dumped.
I gave her a hand to pull everything out to the rear yard.

All furniture in good nick was placed under the patio to be taken to the Sammys, so to were bikes and toys which I repair and recondition then give to disabled and underprivilaged children [just a hobby of mine and keeps me out of trouble].
Went back with a large trailer yesterday morning and guess what! all gone.

To look at the house from the street nothing out back was visable, all gates closed, elderly neighbours both sides and not a scumy street by any means.

Leads me to the conclusion that certain people in our society have an ability to smell an opportunity, its in their DNA. It will draw them from miles away, like dogs on heat!

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:59

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:59
Sounds like they short cut the system for you. I threw out four reasonable bikes on the tip about 12 months ago because I couldn't find any one to do what you are doing, Are you in Perth or in the bush somewhere? just so I know if anyone else wants to know.

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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 15:42

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 15:42
Northam.
The town too close to Perth to be "country" and too far out to be "metro".

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:05

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:05
Hi Lionel A, that is not far away we would have been quite happy to take them (the bikes) up there. I have a sister in Wundowie. I also understand why your stuff dissappeared lol

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:35

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:35
check the cop shop I have ha Bikes stolen at least 1/2 a dozen times and always got themat the cop shop. the ride them round for a bit then dump them eventually ending up with the coppers.
As for the parents not knowing - you obviosly have had few dealings with Australias original human inhabitants.
In the Early 90s my parents had a simular thing hapen in simular circumstaces (big isolated block) ...................... Except it was there car. they got it back........ after it hadbeen burnt
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:52

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:52
Hi Davoe, sorry but you are wrong about us not having any knowledge of the original inhabitants, it is because of our knowledge that we definately don't think that it was them this time. As for the police, our daughter is over East at the moment and has the details of the bike so will go to them when she gets back in a couple of days.

It's not the size of the block that we make our assumption because the orginal inhabitants have always gone out to farms & pastoral stations and stolen fuel for decades now, way back when Adam was a boy LOL

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Reply By: Footloose - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 12:30

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 12:30
These kind of people often do it as a "job". Any visitors to your place have to be vetted ( at least mentally....what a sad state of affairs). They will have "sussed" the opportunity out and waited for a good time to relieve you of your possessions.
The lasting effect that such insects leave, is not the loss of possessions; it's the loss of trust in neighbours and visitors etc .
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 12:39

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 12:39
You are right Footloose, but in this instant it is not the neighbours, visitors? friends definitely not, couriers maybe but there is a group of druggies behind us, now there maybe, not sure but!!!!!!!!!

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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 13:50

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 13:50
D,

You and I have spoken at length about these types of events and your husband would be more aware of what's going on out here in "Publicland" than any of us, but it sounds like your druggie neighbours out the back to me.

A few examples of brazen theft,,,,,,,,,,

Guy parks his caravan on the front lawn to wash it after a trip. Phone rings in the house. Wife calls him in. He's on the phone talking to "some clown from a bank" about his credit card and how the bank is gonna stop his credit. He becomes suspicious after a few minutes 'cos he hasn't got an account with that bank. He puts phone down. Goes ouside to wash his van - van gone!! It was a set up. Location - Warnbro.

Guy at the back of me is working in his driveway on his Patrol. The back doors are open and his tools are in the back whilst he's doing a job on the car. His wife calls him for tea. He shuts up the back of the Patrol - but doesn't lock it. He goes back about after tea to get his tools out and put the car in the garage - tools all gone. Time? 20 minutes, Location? Shoalwater.

Ask Geoff H about how his Turbo Landcruiser was stolen. Time? Geoffs back was turned for about 3 minutes - car gone. Geoff was 30 metres away in a shed.

Drainage inspector in Albany had finished checking a sewerage job and walked back to his 100 series "Cruiser - only 5000 kms on the clock - and got in. Put the keys in the ignition and remembered he hadn't checked something. Walked back to the site, about 20 metres away - but left the keys in. Turned around to walk back to car - car gone. Found abandoned a few kms away. Time? About 2 minutes!!

House round the corner, walls and brick/steel fences all around it - people go to bed but leave the garage roller door up, wake up next morning, husbands breifcase is gone from the living room with business papers and CREDIT CARDS in it. Papers were found next day all blowing up the beach. Cards were gone.

Hotel on the beachfront near me. Owner leaves his toolkbox in the back of his old Landrover. All gone next morning.

They've caught the creatures that did most of these. They are the ones that stole Geoff's Cruiser. The crime spree has stopped.

Remember - These people steal for a living. They live off your inattention. It's "what they do". It's thier occupation. They are professionals, no different to doctors and engineers. They study how to do the job just as a engineer studys an engineering drawing. They are masters of opportunity. Whether it's a new Landcruiser, a pushbike or just an old angle grinder - Don't give 'em that opportunity. Lock it up, put it in a shed etc, etc. Make it hard enough and they'll go to someone that hasn't locked it up.

It's a bloody sad world and this WA government don't seem to know how to stop it.

Maybe we have to stop it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:16

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:16
Geez Bilbo, your area seems so nice and peaceful too, but as you say it seems to have settled down now, wonder why!!!!! Similar in the small country town that I grew up in, a terrible lot of stealing, damage around the town which included damage to head stones in the cemetery (my fathers included), police knew who the culprits were but would only say that they were trying, well the family has been moved out now (on the news said that the father got a hefty sentence) and no more problems. What goes around comes around eventually!!!!!!!!!

We enjoyed our chat with you and your wife today and thanks again for the 'gismo'

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Reply By: Groove - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 15:40

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 15:40
Attitudes towards other peoples property are definitely disturbing and on the decline. I blame a number of factors, firstly it seems that there are simply no consequences for committing crimes these days, a lot of people these days seems to have very little respect for property others or ther own. Also music, video and software piracy is rampant, many people do it and don’t seem to think twice about it, now I know everyone seems to think that copying a DVD is not the same as flogging someone’s bike but that’s not the point, there are adds everywhere that say its illegal, everyone knows its illegal, yet everyone seems to do it, my point is what message does this send to our kids, yes the adds say its against the law but just ignore that. How then does a kid make the distinction between where to draw the line , its breeds an attitude that encourages kids to become contemptuous of the law.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 18:56

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 18:56
Groove....I agree with you..why can't we treat others the way we want to be treated ourselves...First we must look at what we are doing thats wrong that ultimately contributes to the whole frabric of society that filters through to others....what are our values that we live by and how do treat others and their property with the respect that WE require of others to treat us.
You are right, there is a disturbing trend towards hypocritical attitudes as what is right and wrong.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:26

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 21:26
I'm with you here Groove, I know it might sound silly but standing at lights on the corner of the street and you will see parents just pushing (in prams) and walking very young kids across against the little red man, to me that is breaking the law and is teaching the kids to do the same (silly, maybe) but that shows you what respect the parents have for the law, as for the pirating, that is the next step, it is a form of stealing really. I think a bit of selfishness can get thrown in the mix as well, if it's not mine what the heck!!!!! who cares!!!!!! Oooh I could go on and on but I will get off the soap box now.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 22:45

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 22:45
My daughter in law lost her bike from the farm a few years ago. She was at Uni when she moved to the farm as her home base, bringing her bike. My son occasionally used it to ride out to the back of the block to pick up a vehicle, and bring it home on the back, so when she came home for the holidays and noticed it missing, she blamed my son, quite convinced he'd left it somewhere in the bush at the back of the farm and forgotten all about it. She didn't know exactly when it went from the garage, and still blamed my son for losing it, hence never reported it to the police. Years later, she heard of a bike being found dumped off the roadside further down the highway. The house is some distance from the road, so maybe someone's car broke down, and they walked for help and couldn't find anyone - so took the opportunity to ride the bike back to the car and then callously abandoned it. Still speculation on our part - but a possible scenario in your case?
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:08

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:08
Thanks for that Motherhen an interesting scenario but as we live in suburbia I somehow feel that it would have been picked up by now. Having said that we have not reported it missing yet as our daughter doesn't get back for a couple of days, As Davoe said it may be sitting in the local police station.

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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 23:29

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 23:29
Interesting point,,,,,,,,,,,,

This thread has had 793 hits, The avergae for the others around it is about 150 hits.

It seems that are lot of people are concerned about this issue.

Amazing that the issue just gets worse by the day.

Do our law makers know we're out here I wonder?

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Follow Up By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 23:37

Saturday, Apr 21, 2007 at 23:37
Hey Bilbo

There is a new punishment these days.

It's called Suspended Sentence.

I read the paper daily and shake my head.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:04

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:04
Hi Steve, 'Suspended Sentence' = pat on the hand and don't do that again as they are walking out of the Court going hehehehehe see you next time!!!!!!!


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Reply By: Jeeps - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:59

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 00:59
I've got video footage of a mum and her sister and her 2 kids (11 & 13) breaking into my shop at 6am. Mum and aunty were standing out the fron with backs facing the camera keeping lookout while the 2 kids used their feet and kicked the front glass of the shop. The kids then ran into the shop straight to the tills (which were empty) and then into the office. The alarm sounded and they ran off grabbing a bottle of soft drink from the fridge.

I turned up after a short time as did security & police. I showed them all the footage immediately and off they went in search. They were found about 1klm away at the railway station sniffing paint. The senior seargent wasn't happy when the offenders threw paint all over him and his new jacket.

Mum and aunty, who didn't actually commit an offence, fronted court with the kids and were charged with 'failure to parent' or such rubbish while the kids received 3 councilling sessions each.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 01:12

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 01:12
And ready to do it all again next time!!!!!!!

What a deterent? What a joke??? And you are left to pick up the tab!!!

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Reply By: Member - Arkay (SA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:05

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:05
You guys obviously don't get it. Society owes these people a living. In this modern egaliterian society it is not fair that you have something they do not. Modern do-gooders tell kids of all descriptions that you can be anything you want in life, can have anything you want in life, all you need is to want it badly enough.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 15:10

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 15:10
I suspect that you are saying that tongue in cheek!!!!!!!!!!

"Modern do-gooders tell kids of all descriptions that you can be anything you want in life, can have anything you want in life, all you need is to want it badly enough".

That is fair enough, I believe that myself, however go out and earn it yourself instead of stealing from others who have gone out and worked hard for their possessions, there is no excuse for being unemployed these days.

Am I still angry?????? Yes.

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Reply By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:17

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:17
There are thieves and then there are the absolute scum bag thieves.

These thieves are the ones that steal the tools out of the back of a tradies ute, the same tools he goes to work with to earn a dollar and feed his family with.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 15:04

Sunday, Apr 22, 2007 at 15:04
Sorry Steve, a thief is a thief is a thief no matter what they take, big or small, no matter where they steal it from, some-one has had to work long and hard for it regardless whether they use it for obtaining money or have had to work somewhere else to obtain the money to get it. But I do understand what you are saying, I'm just upset at the moment because our daughter struggled at the time to buy that bike.

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