Dargo Licola (Victoria) Look-See

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Dargo Licola (Victoria) Look-See

Route, Melbourne Dargo-Licola Melbourne.
(driving time = 10:39 , Distance 765km max speed=121
av speed= 72.8, fuel=114lt @ 14.9lt/100km, Car GU 4800


You can do so much more without a trail of cars behind you !
Since our Xmas visitors shot thru we did MT Pinnabar area tuesday,
Mt Robertson area yesterday and with today free, our last workday holiday,
we thought we'd see what the situation is in Dargo as road has recently been
re-opened, whats more yesterdays VicRoads closed roads page had the
Wonnagatta RD de-listed finally.

On the way to Dargo we heard on radio that the Licola rd had just
been re-opened again and managed to check it out on our way back.

This is what we found.

---DARGO ------------------------------------------

Light smoke from princess hwy north to Dargo

Light fire damage began around Knots Landing area and continued
to around the Wonnagatta CV park area.

Fire damage was generally light, with large unburnt
patches, and in a lot of the area I feel it would re-grow ok.

There were some patches of intense fire.
A significant number of large burnt trees had been cut down on
roadside - no doubt to stop them falling.

Several healthy looking Wallabies were encountered.

Area was generally quiet.

We drove to Upper Dargo rd intersection , were road was closed
to High Plains completely and upper dargo road was partly
closed.

Wonnagatta rd was closed fully South of CV park , and partly closed
North of CV park.

The track from Waterford bridge on Wonnagatta which normally has
an old gate , was padlocked.

Lower Dargo rd was open.

Michell N.P. roads were open.

All tracks south of Waterford were not closed , although
some had fallen trees, and camping/4wding is possible.

In general the area had more green than expected particularly
in actual Dargo township.

The Wonagatta river was dirty brown but no obvious debris.

The Dargo river was clear and quite drinkable.

The Pub still had its "free camping by the river" sign up
and for the first time ever I saw no one camped their.

Had conversations with -> shop worker, hotel worker, Parks Officer
and Dozer driver actually on a track.

The Parks Officer insisted that Wonnagatta rd was closed , and
wasn't in the best frame of mind when I showed that VicRoads
had it open.
I explained that some people might have driven all the way from Melbourne
based on that report and he said that report would be changed.
Things could have gone downhill from here - however I dropped
the subject and left.
(As of this evening - Wonnagatta road has been re-listed as closed)

Other conversations revealed the following -

Wonnagatta rd is ok and being used by locals and clean up vechiles.

The road block to high plains is actually spiked.

The Talbotville camp ground is not burnt out.

Grant cemetry has been damaged.

Road down to Talbotville has been severely affected.

Wongurra river has been affected most with large fish kills.

Locals are campaigning to have Talbotville re-opened for Easter.

South of Wonnagatta river we took a track to ridge top to look
up the valley and this confirmed some of the notes above.

P.S. Noted that CDMA signal held all the way to Dargo, and that
coffee at shop is still just average.

------Licola---------------------------

The area from Glenmaggie to Licola was in much worse shape than Dargo, if you
want to see the damage a fire can do then its worth the drive and I know
the local shop would appreciate the business.

The fires went thru Licola area many days ago now, and think road
has been open for bits however a new flare up had occurred at Blankett hill
just north of Glenmaggie and road had just been re-opened this morning.
Or hearing this we diverted to Licola and as we drove thru this area logs
here and their were still on fire or smouldering with CFA teams cleaning up.

Up until the Macalister river at Cheyne bridge the fires appeared to have
been moderate but as we headed up the pass to Bygones Gap things got a
lot worse with every tree fully burnt and area looked devastated.

By time we got to Licola things didn't look so bad again.

The Mt Skene rd is closed just north of town.

The Wellington river rd is open for several km to the NP boundry.

The Macalister river is brown but not as bad as Wonnagatta and in fact
I found the water drinkable, with the color of weak tea.

Nearly got clobbered by convoy of 3 school buses - then nearly got
clobbered again by two bikes under full noise as I began to head down
Bygones Gap.

Macalister river camp area at Cheynes bridge is untouched and you can camp.
Drove thru river there (300mm) and needed lockers to get up the northern chute.

Hickeys creek area has sign on it saying
"Tracks in area are closed till May 2007."
Camping area is untouched.

At Bygones gap on east side is small sign also saying
"Tracks in area are closed till May 2007."

Tracks on west (river side) have no signs.

Little light smoke haze, except at Blankett hill.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:19

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:19
I wish you would go back to work you are making me jealous.

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Follow Up By: Robin - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:23

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:23
How can you read all that so fast!

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:26

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:26
I learnt to speed read from doing so many written assignments for Uni. LOL

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:33

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:33
Very interesting read though

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Reply By: Crackles - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 22:36

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 22:36
Robin I think we can take it from your post that although the local communities would love tourists to come up & spend their money, the fire situation in general is far from over & in many places still very dangerous with large areas of unburnt bush that could reignite, trees that could fall etc.
There are NO 4x4 tracks in the fire area's officially open yet & as you yourself have confirmed, many "Tracks in area are closed till May 2007." If you want to look at the fire area join the CFA otherwise you are not helping by getting in the way while you go on a scenic tour of the devistation. (Nearly got clobbered by convoy of 3 school buses)
"if you want to see the damage a fire can do....." then wait at least until the fire is out ("logs here and their were still on fire or smouldering with CFA teams cleaning up") As an essential service worker going in after the fires to repair burnt assets I can only back up the sentiments of the CFA vollonteers who all agree it's damn annoying to have "tourists" getting in the way.
Thank you though for the detailed report as I hope it may deter others thinking of going up this wekend for a sticky beak.
Cheers Craig.............

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Follow Up By: Robin - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 07:34

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 07:34
Hi Craig

I'm sure its inconvienent to have tourists around at times , just like its inconvienent for me to slow down for roadworks on my trips , but we all have to get along and for some of these local communities its not just academic.

Some of them as I found out yesterday are desperate and ready to "Walk off the land" , their business and livelyhood need income now !

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:10

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:10
It’s not that it’s just “inconvenient” to have tourists around it’s still very dangerous in many places & recommending people go up for a look at this early stage is a bit premature. As I said No 4x4 tracks are open, very few if any campsites have been inspected for safety & the fish are dying in the river so now is not the time to be going up for a holiday. With the large numbers of fire trucks & heavy machinery getting about on the roads & with the smoke & thick dust making visibility difficult at times it’s no wonder you nearly got cleaned up several times. (Particularly with a max speed of 121 at an average of 72.8 ;-)
If people want to help those affected by the fires, there will be many working bees in the coming months to help rebuild properties (particularly fencing) & then would be a great time to frequent the shops & pubs to help them get back on their feet. The Vic 4x4 association will no doubt be coordinating some projects as they did back in the 2003 fires. I’ll post details when they come to hand for those wishing to help out.
Cheers Craig………..
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Follow Up By: tuck 01 - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:22

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:22
Crackles, you beat me to it.
Robin, I always read your posts because I have worked out that you arte knowledgable and your views are worth reading. However, this time you are just plain WRONG.
I agree totally with Crackles about it being dangerous, not just inconvenient. It's dangerous for you, the tourist, and for all those involved in fighting this monster.
As we saw on Thursday, it can erupt very quickly again, be it through the wind getting amonbgst embers, or lightning making new strikes. Any people caught up in a fresh outbreak because they have gone up to have a look, just make life more difficult for the firies.
I bleed for those whose livelihood is suffering because the tourists are gone. I know that I and everyone else who loves the high country need these businesses to survive. However, at this stage with the battle still being far from over, the greater good of the entire community who will be in the line of fire in coming days, the safety of emergency services people, and the high country itself, outweighs the needs of a few individual businesses.
As Crackles has pointed out, wait until it is safe, and then go in to do what you can to help.
Please stay away.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:44

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 13:44
Hi Tuck & Craig

Remember we are talking about areas already declared ok, on the right side of the road closed signs.

It is not my decision to declare them ok.

They are declared ok because it is safe !

I believe at the end of the day that the finnacial strain on those affected will
be more servre than the causalites so far , and this is why I believe we should support those who are requesting it now.

Seeing the damage is much more likely to cause people to be motivated than after its all blue-rinsed.

I do appreciate the other side of the arguement , and these posts show that while we may have different views that at least they are both movivated by concern for whats going on.

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Follow Up By: tuck 01 - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:11

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:11
Robin
I don't doubt your motivation and good intentions. I just can't agree with you.
My personal view is that the roads have been allowed to open prematurely in many cases in response to the publicity surrounding the hardship of small businesses that rely on tourists, but I believe this is against the better judgement of some in the game whose advice has been over-ridden. In other words, I think in some cases it has been political decisions rather than practical.
If I'm right, this puts those decisions in the same basket as the decisions in the past to restrict fuel reduction burning, lock up previously accessible country etc in response to public (greenie) clamour. Such decision making based on politics rather than real needs is largely responsible for the scale of the current situation.
I am not insensitive to the needs of the "locals". For instance, last year I saw the looks on the faces of the residents of Anakie as the fire bore down on them. Over the following week I also saw what the local store keeper and his staff did for the CFA, DSE and support people. Brilliant. After the fires were absolutelyt safe, my wife and I, both CFA volunteers, travelled 45 minutes several times over a few weeks to buy milk, bread, smokes etc from that store, in our little attempt to try to help his business get back on the road.
But, while the fire is still active, I still wish you and other tourists would stay to buggery away. Safer for you. Safer for me and hundreds of other volunteers.
Tuck

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:23

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:23
Pious people on this site regularly preach that we should not travel on closed roads or tracks; "the 'authorities' know best" they always say. Now! you're preaching that we should not travel on open ones!!??

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:22

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:22
Yes that is the suggestion. That those not currently involved in fire prevention, fighting the blaze, live in the area or are helping with repair work should hold back their primeval urge to have a look at the high country for just a few more weeks until all those hard working volunteers & 'know best' authorities have got this thing under some sort of control. They no doubt have enough on their plate without the worry of well meaning tourists getting in the way or caught in a flare up. The main roads in may be open & clear but very little else is. Often roads that are opened today may be closed again tommorrow as was the case when we were working in Woods Point prior to xmas. Was almost caught in there at the height of a flare up.
Cheers Craig.............
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:29

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:29
So the conclusion must be: "The Authorities" are not responsible arbiters of whether a road/track should be open or not.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Biglinz - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 23:33

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 23:33
Robin how badly affected by the fires is the grant cemetary. Our club do the maintenance there.
Lindsay
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Follow Up By: Robin - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:34

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:34
Hi BigLinz

Missed your reply amongst the others , the info about Grant was all I got on that point from Dargo store (5140-1219) , but from the tone of the conversation I think your group will have some work to do.

Down at Talbotville even the information board wasn't burnt.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:19

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 16:19
One reason to stay clear was made patently obvious today, with a young firefighter being killed by a tree falling on his vehicle, during a 'mopping up' operation.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 18:29

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 18:29
Good that we get front page stories like some toss pot can win a tennis game.. bleep in important stuff that.

but not a word on the fire fighter. not a bleep in mention.
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