putting trailers & vans on blocks WHY

Submitted: Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 15:53
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merry christmas to all

why do people put trailers and vans on blocks i have looked at my van a couple of times and then think but if i want to go on a friday arvo i have to jack the van up etc an hours work bugger i might just not go and i have a bourbon instead
so i have never bothered putting it on blocks as i want to be able to take off any time
how do others feel

steve
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Reply By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:03

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:03
Steve,
I remember when my grandfather was alive he once talked to me about this. His take was the tyres available in his day would go out of round when sitting still on a car, caravan or trailer for long periods.
He could never understand the block idea for modern tyres. He always reckoned the worst that ever happened was the newer nylon tyres (late 70's to early 80's) might hop a bit on his trailer until they warmed up then all was good.

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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:23

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:23
I took a new car for a test drive a couple of years ago and the salesman said to be a bit wary as the tyres still had their transportation pressure in them, about 100psi.

This was to stop the tyres going out of round prior to the vehicle's sale.

The tyres of yesteryear certainly did develop flat spots if the car/van was parked for a while and you would go down the road thumping away for a few miles till they warmed up and rounded out again. I've never noticed it on steel belted radials but at least one new car manufacturer still guards against it.

On a trailer you wouldn't even notice it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:31

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:31
Hi Gerhardp1,
My immediate thoughts on the delivery pressure is they are carefully calculated to reduce the rolling resistance such that 102.397ml of fuel will get the vehicle onto the ship then off again.
Once it's off the ship, problem belong someone else,
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Reply By: Keith_A (Qld) - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:39

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 16:39
Hi Steve - My understanding is :
Most tyres today are steel belted radials.
Sitting on cement or pavers etc, moisture (humidity) infiltrates the rubber and moistens the steel belts. Rust occurs.
When you take the van for a run, the heat builds up, causing the steel belts to expand, and they burst - closely followed by the tyre.

I have experienced this first hand. Near new tyres on the camper.
It sat for some time (not sure how long - say 3 months).
Left on a trip - got 3 hours from home, and one tyre burst.
On goes the spare - 10 minutes later the other tyre went.

For tyres that get regular use, they dont sit long enough for this to happen.
The heat of regular use dries out any moisture.

I have a set of Supercheap adjustable stands and put the camper on them every time. Yes - a PITA, but you get a routine and it gets easier.
Much much better than the alternative. Try 2 burst tyres at the start of a holiday.
Been there - done that - not fun. Problem now solved.
cheers...............Keith
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 17:54

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 17:54
Many years ago it was common for a tyre to slowly loose air pressure and leak all the way down to where it was flat and all of the weight of the vehicle was on the rim and could damage the tyre.

Putting a vehicel up on blocks if it was not going to be used for a long time could prevent damage to the tyres if they went flat and you did not see it. Saved you from having to check the tyre pressure every month.

To the guy who reckoned that moisture could get into the tyre and rust the steel wires -- It's Christmas not April the first ! Who ever told you that story was talking Bollocks !
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 00:45

Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 00:45
From what factual base do you make that comment?
Here are some of many quotes from the tyre industry :

"When moisture gets into the tire, the steel belt package rusts and the tire's structural integrity goes. Goodyear helps reduce this with its Enhanced Casing Design (ECD) which is included in all of the company's mixed service radial tires."

"Keeping moisture out of tires greatly reduces the chance of tread separation, belt failure, corrosion around the valve stems, and other common causes of blowouts."

"Water can permeate a tire through any slight cut or nick in the tire surface. Once the water reaches the steel belt, oxidation occurs. The rust weakens the belt and can cause the tire to disintegrate during normal road operation. A visual inspection of a tire with a rusted belt may reveal slight tread wear, and the tire may appear to be in good condition. Thus, the potential for catastrophic tire failure can lurk below the surface where it cannot be seen."

"With steel belt tires now standard equipment, we sometimes see the outside steel belt separating. This is due to the oxygen and moisture leaking through the tire. A tire loses between 2% and 5% of air per month. This rusts the steel belts after a period of time. Aircraft and some truck fleets inflate tires with nitrogen to help stop this problem. "

"That's important because moisture could cause corrosion that could hamper the adhesion to the rubber at the weakest point of the tire and the very place where most of the tire failures occur, said experts who testified for plaintiffs and Firestone. "

There hundreds if not thousands - check for yourself.
No - it is not april. That part was factual.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:16

Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 02:16
Quote 1 is nothing more than advertising
Quote2 refers to keeping moisture out of tyres. When you consider a tyre is filled with air which can have 90% himidity I think they are advertising nitrogen filled tyres
Quote3 talks of water entering through nicks and cuts - this is alot more likely to happen driving through a puddle than parked in the garage
Quote4 refers to o2 and moisture permeating through the tyre - this must mean from inside out as it is immpossible for either substance to pass from lower pressure to higher
Quote5 was from highly paid "expert" witnesses who would hav had the defence tearing them to shreads in the cross examination
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 18:35

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 18:35
Anybody ever wonder why wheel bearings don't last as long on trailers & caravans? Maybe it's because they sit for weeks or months at a time with all the weight bearing down on one roller on each side!
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 18:52

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 18:52
Prezactly,
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (WA) - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 19:02

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 19:02
Hi . Thats what I was told take the weight off the bearings. Which always did when getting home from a trip. Brian
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 22:14

Friday, Dec 23, 2005 at 22:14
When I was driving trucks if I bought a loaded truck into the yard at knockoff time I'd have to jack it up. We had a trolley jack that was the size of a sofa. What a PITA that was.
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 07:54

Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 07:54
Hey, this is a great subject for some friendly banter about old wives tales eh !

Maybe I am showing my age but when I was a lot younger you really did have to check your tyre pressure at least once a week as tyres (valves & tubes) did not hold their pressure. When you filled up with fuel you ALWAYS checked oil, water and air at the same time. These days, most people only check when they think there is something wrong !

"Keeping moisture out of tires greatly reduces the chance of tread separation, belt failure, corrosion around the valve stems, and other common causes of blowouts."

What do they want us to do ? Never drive in the rain :-))

This quote could be taken from an advertising brochure of about 1910 vintage! The tread was manufactured by hand layering over the tyre carcass. Some times (due to faulty manufacure) complete seperation of the complete tread layer would happen. Not seen very often these days unless a person drives for extended distance on a flat tyre.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 20:07

Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 20:07
I thought it was because of bearings - if you turn them over occasionally, they do better. And the bearings on a trailer don't get heated as much as those on the vehicle, so moisture is more liely to collect in trailer bearings.

The lumpy tyre thing was more likely when cross-ply tyres were the go. I had Goodyear Hi-miler crossplies on an old FJ55, and that thing was lumpy for the first few k's each morning. Changed to radials and the problem was gone.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 23:54

Saturday, Dec 24, 2005 at 23:54
Do you mean the trailer bearings don't get heated as often?
I can't see why they wouldn't get heated as much.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Dec 25, 2005 at 11:04

Sunday, Dec 25, 2005 at 11:04
The vehicle brakes are used every day, and the brakes heat up the hubs. The trailer gets used intermittently, and depending on brakes, may or may not get heated up.
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Reply By: Flesh - Sunday, Dec 25, 2005 at 07:28

Sunday, Dec 25, 2005 at 07:28
I remember reading in Caravan World some time ago about this. Not only did they recommend putting the van on blocks to avoid flat spotting the tyres but that the van should also be supported under the chasis as close as possible to the spring hangers so that all the weight was taken off the suspension.



Merry Christmas to all
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