Right or Wrong

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 19:51
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Is it right or wrong to go and rescue someone who is bogged clearly were they shouldn't have been? Is it right or wrong for more people to go and rescue the rescuer when they get bogged? All without official permission.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:01

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:01
I don't think it is ever "wrong" to help someone in strife. You can only point out the problem and hope they learn.

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:26

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:26
A gas worker got bogged on a closed road near Camerons Corner earlier this and the local cop told us to not go and rescue him.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:30

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:30
I guess you follow the police directions ......... but I'd be asking why .

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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:09

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:09
I would be wary of helping somebody in the resources industry beyond lending the driver a shovel.

I can't begin to imagine the paperwork involved if the recovery went awry and something got damaged.

I'm sure those companies have their own protocols and unless it was life threatening situation I'd say they are best left to themselves

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:09

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:09
You do know it is illegal to drive on a closed road.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim S1 - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:15

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:15
So, if it's a closed road , I wouldn't be there , so no issue. Wouldn't know if there was anybody there in trouble or not.
My initial response was what I have done in the past , with some people who have driven off the road for some reason , and got bogged.
Not illegal maybe , but stupid.
So, Ivan , are you having a Sunday stir ????????
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:46

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:46
The road we were on was open. We were sitting in Cameron Corner and he was bogged on the Cameron Corner road towards Omicron
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:49

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 21:49
Jim, I would follow the Police instructions.

When we used to go regularly across the Simpson, we got to know personally the local Policeman in Birdsville.

One time when we were heading out into the desert, it had been very wet, and spoke to our friendly policeman. He advised us that if we came across two Troopy's with French drivers, not to help them if they were bogged.

The Police knew they wanted to head out, but told them they were not to head off, as the desert was closed because of the water, but they headed out around 2am in the morning knowing that they would not be caught.

On another occasion in the Simpson and over the HF Radio, we were monitoring a request for help, again they were bogged and a couple of calls came in offering to help.

All of a sudden the local cop from Birdsville chimed in advising all parties that they were not to go out and help. There was a very short conversation between the person bogged and the police, and basically the cop said, you were advised not to go out into the desert, I know you have ample supples and we will discuss this more in 4 days when I come to recover you.

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Reply By: Batt's - Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:55

Sunday, Oct 20, 2024 at 20:55
It's up to the individual to make that call if they want to go where they shouldn't be.
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Reply By: Member - shane r1 - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:21

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:21
Good question/subject.
So many different scenarios!
Years ago 3 of us on dirt bikes came across a guy in Port Lincoln national park , bogged in sand less than 100 metres off the hard road. We checked it out and asked him the usual questions, “had he dropped his pressures etc” (we had come across his partner and a kid or 2 walking ,she had advised us she had got phone reception and called help)
We were pretty confident we could have got the vehicle out (we had a lot of sand experience) but decided he knew better ……..and left him to it!
He certainly wasn’t in any danger, if I thought someone was in potential danger I would definitely try to help.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:12

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:12
'We were pretty confident we could have got the vehicle out (we had a lot of sand experience) but decided he knew better ……..and left him to it!"

If someone has called for help, they should be there to pay for the callout when the assistance arrives.
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:39

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 08:39
The rescuer who comes across the bogged vehicle shouldn't have been there either, it seems.

What is the reason this question is being asked? Maybe we should all do the right thing and let them die there. That shows responsible actions, surely!
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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 09:12

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 09:12
I dont care what the situation is...if someone needs help..you help!!! So many of the entitled ones who only look out for themselves seem to be everywhere...of course if they needed help they scream out for it quicksmart. If you cant help a fellow traveller, regardless of the situation, (to a certain degree) your a miserable barsteward!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Monday, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:52

Monday, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:52
Always lend a helping hand when you can, you never know when you may need one yourself.
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 09:51

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 09:51
Many years ago we were chilling under the casuarinas on the eastern beach on Fraser Island waiting for the tide to drop when a guy came powering along through the soft sand. He got bogged not far from us. We watched. He eventually came up to us to ask for a tow or snatch. I asked him if he had a tow rope or snatch strap. He had no recovery gear. I told him that unfortunately I didn’t either (not true of course). So we kept chilling and watching. Finally someone else recovered him. When the tide dropped to a comfortable level we journeyed on.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:11

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:11
Don't think there's to many people on this site that would make the same decision.
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:11

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:11
IMHO it was stupid to attempt the beach at high tide. I would have helped when the beach was safe to travel. Apparently there are plenty of people who think they are more important than tides.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 20:06

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 20:06
Agree. There’s no need to flog more cars saving a car that shouldn’t have been there unless it’s going to get wet and you have the chance to save it. Otherwise a bit of time spent pondering ones decisions is always a great teacher.
The worst is when you know a car is already lost and people are begging you to help. The two French guys at Rainbow beach last week. One made it, the other got stuck, the first went back to help and they lost both cars. I have left someone’s car in the lagoon at rainbow because I wasn’t about to put mine in saltwater. Theirs was a write off, they just hadn’t yet accepted the fact.
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Reply By: axle - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:37

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:37
Buy a land rover and you won't get bogged.!...LOL.(now hiding around the back of the shed with a tin hat on.


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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 13:37

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 13:37
Landrovers don't get bogged Axle, they just fail to proceed. Rover agents comment when a group had a bit of
trouble crossing the Sahara while on a Demo of a new model.
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Monday, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:50

Monday, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:50
Going back a few years now talking about Landrover's, my brother and I were down on the beach fishing there were a couple of blokes up the beach from us who appeared to be bogged, but they were happily working away and they were about a kilometer from us so we set up and started to fish, all is good , about twenty minutes went by and one of the blokes come down to us and asked if we could give him a tow, us being us we do proceed to the stricken vehicle the first thing we did was let his tyres down to 15psi, then we gave him a tow, and got him mobile, we tell him of the beach conditions and tell him as he is heading down the track to take a track off the beach before he gets to the rocks, as he will get stuck trying to go around the rocks. we go back to our fishing gear and proceed with the afternoon enjoyment. About an hour later the same bloke comes panting up the beach, asking for a tow, and telling us the tide is coming in, which we already knew, so we pack the fishing gear up and go down to help. they are in the water where we told them not to go, so we pull them out and all is good, we tell them where the track off the beach is, and we go back to our fishing spot an hour later they both come to our fishing spot asking for help again this time little brother is starting to catch fish so I leave him too it and go to the rescue again, low and behold they are in the same spot that we had pulled them out of before, there excuse was we couldn't find the track and looking at the beach you could clearly see that they hadn't even tried to look or turned around, but I still pulled them out, then went and got my little brother packed up and went home. I don't want to know what happened to them. they were just to stupid for words. My brother caught five fish that evening, me i enhanced my recovery skills. lesson learnt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim S1 - Tuesday, Oct 29, 2024 at 14:06

Tuesday, Oct 29, 2024 at 14:06
Exactly ....... if you are there and you can help , you do. I can think of a few stupid things I have done out in the bush.

Save the judgemental bit for afters over a few beers.

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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 19:28

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 19:28
Really it is up to you but you need to consider all aspects. If going to their aid and they aren't in any
real danger and you will be breaking the law in doing so then consider you vehicle insurance cover as all
all my vehicle insureance policy state if your vehicle is damaged whilst you are engaging in an illegal act the policy become null and void so this aspect is worth considering.
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 20:29

Monday, Oct 21, 2024 at 20:29
I reckon if someone is bogged where they shouldn't be then it isn't wise to risk yourself also being bogged where you shouldn't be either. The best course of action is to notify whoever the person wants notified and alert the relevant authorities. If anything life threatening is afoot then set off your emergency beacon.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2024 at 08:07

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2024 at 08:07
My two cents worth.

This is a very perplexing question. If the person who is stuck should not have been there in the first place, then they deserve to have the “full force of the law” applied to them. If it is a life threatening situation that is time critical, and you are closer than the “authorities”, and know you can actually help, that is when your decision becomes more difficult. Seeking advice from the authorities might be a good idea if time permits, but may not always be possible.

I have never been in this position, and I honestly do not know how I would react in this situation. Do I risk my own life or vehicle and suffer the consequences of a possible prosecution? Or do I stay in contact with the stranded party and wait for the authorities?

I think time critical life threatening situations call for an immediate response, but I think making sure the authorities are aware of the time critical life threatening situation before “plunging in” would be the way I would go.

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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Oct 22, 2024 at 17:44

Tuesday, Oct 22, 2024 at 17:44
A real example for us recently.
We were in a remote corner of a National Park and came across a bloke on his own who was bogged in a river where he should not have been. He had been there some hours and it was very unlikely that he would extract himself and it was just as unlikely that anyone else would come past and see him.
No one had useful communications.
It was going to be difficult to maneuver the OKA into a position where we could extract him without also risking the OKA.
I offered to attempt to extract him for a $200 donation to the RFDS if successful.
He immediately accepted.
I had a 50m winch extension and various other straps.
The recovery went well.
He was very happy and handed over $100 in cash on the spot which went straight into our RFDS donation tin and he sent the other $100 to the RFDS electronically and sent us a copy of the receipt.
I have never set the price in advance before, but we do collect a lot of cash donations for the RFDS along the road for various assistance that we provide.

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