where are the police on our roads
Submitted: Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 11:55
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Member - Broodie H3
Good morning all, we have just done a 3 week tour of the
Pilbara region, and in that time we Never saw a single patrol car out on the roads that we travelled. We went up through
Meekatharra, and came down the coast. years ago you would encounter at least three patrol cars in a time frame like that but not any more. I am asking the question because for the bad driving habits of our fellow travellers. for instance, overtaking semi trailers on hills while towing a caravan, and probably doing about 120 to130 klm per hour, that was scary to watch as that van got the wobbles up, fortunately the driver got past just before the crest of the
hill, a couple of minutes later a north bound semi came over the
hill, you can imagine what would have happened if the northbound had been a bit quicker. There were numerous other incidents that should not have happened, but drivers in vehicles are becoming more daring now days, and on the open roads some people don't give a damn about anyone's safety let alone their own. I know the police cant be every where but I whish we had more on the roads than cameras that only book speeders, and raise revenue for the state. In my opinion the state should bring back the highway patrol unit agian. thank you that is my rant for the day
Reply By: Lakers - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 12:14
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 12:14
Agreed... we did the same trip a month ago, up to
Newman, turn left through Karijini and back along the coast road. A lot of bad behaviour on the roads. Only police we saw was a paddy wagon doing the rounds at
Monkey Mia CVP. Our pollies often rant about the road toll, but unfortunately are not doing doing anything constructive about it...
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Reply By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 12:17
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 12:17
A spate of fatal car crashes has sparked the Government to convene an urgent meeting with road safety bodies, in a bid to tackle WA’s soaring road toll. The latest fatality being in the
Pilbara and the majority of fatalities on country roads.
Traffic Enforcement might be about to get a bit of overtime.
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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 13:23
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 13:23
Broodie.
There is now a multitude of safety devices/system in vehicles and so people don't have to drive safely, it is all provided for them. You know that!
While driving coaches interstate for a while, Up a long
hill, at night, I have been overtaken next to double lines by a B DOUBLE. It is also safe if another B double doesn't appear the other way.
I taught Traffic Safety for 8 years and taught about 450
young people to drive. Now, the driving instructors have to know the road rules reasonably
well, but most of them are not good drivers and only a minute percentage have EVER done a
DRIVER TRAINING COURSE and have little idea what Defensive Driving is.. They train people to PASS their Licence
Test but nothing else much at all. Result, unprogrammed people who's brains have insufficient conceptual idea of situations. Therefore, when something goes wrong it is always BRAKE BRAKE BRAKE. that solves everything doesn't it?
Road safety groups aren't much worth. Our governments, Nation Wide, should have daily video clips on TV and media showing proper driving practices in various situations. Then it might become a "second nature" thing in peoples minds.
Unfortunately there will aways be the ones who don't consider others, not only on the road either.
There are people on here who have voiced their displeasure about someone who travels at 85 or 90KMH, because they bought the latest V8 and big caravan and they can travel at 100 +++++.kmh. Why can't we all? But is it safe?
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 15:46
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 15:46
RMD, just a follow up to your comments,85to90klm is not safe, but only in my opinion, as it tends to make people traveling faster feel a bit anxious and then the faster vehicles , tend to do things that they shouldn't do. if your traveling at the lower speed to conserve fuel, I think it is false economy.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 16:46
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 16:46
So you want to blame those travelling at under the speed limit for the stupid things that others choose to do?
In Europe, the maximum speed limit for all vehicles with a GVM of 3.5T or more is 80kph and that applies on autobahns with unlimited speed limits.
Does not seem to be a problem there. Why here?
Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim S1 - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 17:23
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 17:23
On the autobahns , the fast lane is always only used by fast drivers . Slower vehicles do not use the fast lane.
Wish the system worked here the way it is supposed to .......... keep left unless overtaking. We have a lot of folk here who use the right lane because no one holds them up ...... not seeming to realise that they are holding others up.
Cheers
Jim
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 18:13
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 18:13
The 80kph maximum rule for GVM 3.5T+ vehicles in Europe applies to all roads from autobahns down to single lane roads (and there are plenty) and everything in-between.
Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Monday, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:39
Monday, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:39
I have done a small amount of driving in Europe and learnt a lot in a very short time about good driving practices, they appear to have a universal style of driving and police on motor bike every where no matter what country you are driving through. Different to here, you can drive thousands of Kilo meters without seeing a single police man or vehicle. I have been a policeman and I know you cant be every where, although you would like to be, I have also driven trucks, around the city and some country roads, and I do believe the driving habit of some are now putting us
grey nomads and other users of the road system at risk, and with more
young people out there with there kids permanently on the road I am just waiting for the day when a disaster happens. I hope that day never comes. Thank you all for readiing my rant and contributing to the conversation. Thank you
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Reply By: Genny - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 16:36
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 16:36
Be careful what you wish for.
I can see a dystopian future where being allowed to drive will be a privilege.
For now though, with all the automated revenue raisers in place, only
John Citizen pays the price. The arsehats in stolen cars don't care, they go unpunished. Unregistered car? No license? Unpaid fines? Ignore them. After all, what is the government going to do? They won't jail you. If you have nothing, they can't take anything off you. Just ignore them, and continue doing what you do. Only people with something to lose are punished by the law.
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Reply By: Member - David M (SA) - Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 17:30
Friday, Aug 16, 2024 at 17:30
Could be the lack of recruits Broodie. I know their 3 to4 hundred short in SA. Same in other states I guess.
I wouldn't have the job in WA for quids. Last one I met was just outside
Laverton at 7am for a breathalyser
test. :)
Dave.
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Monday, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:46
Monday, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:46
I can understand the 0700 breath
test, you would be surprised at the amount of people you catch at 0700 in country towns, and double that in the city. Your right I would not be a police man for quids nowadays. But I take my Hat off to those that serve.
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Reply By: John Baas - Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 01:49
Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 01:49
Quicker would be bad anyway but sooner would be worse...
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Reply By: AlanTH - Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 18:31
Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 18:31
I like the way they always seem to blame Indian Ocean Drive whenever there's an accident on it. It's not the road it's the bloody stupidity of the drivers.
We saw a bloke being booked on there for something a year or so ago and a few minutes later he went past us on double whites right near a blind right hander! But I have been told by an idiot I was chatting to once that 'White lines including doubles are only advisory.....'! Work that one out if you can.
Although I wouldn't do their job for anything, especially the cleaning up following a smash, living not far from the Police Academy at
Joondalup we see some shocking driving from cops who are supposedly policing others on the roads.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 07:40
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 07:40
Similar to the Bruce Highway in Queensland. I don’t doubt the Bruce Highway needs constant repairs, but not all accidents on the Bruce Highway are caused by the Highway itself. And before anyone asks, yes, I have driven the Bruce Highway an many occasions.
Macca.
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Reply By: Joe Fury - Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 19:33
Saturday, Aug 17, 2024 at 19:33
G'day Adventurers
Some time ago there was a noticeable Police/highway patrol presence on along the Great Northern Highway between
Newman and
Port Hedland, these days you are hard pressed to actually sight a marked Police vehicle on the highway, I'm not saying they don't use unmarked vehicles.
There are spy cameras in all the major towns,
Newman has four visible camera clusters, each cluster has four cameras, so my guess the boots on the ground cops are now cops with their bums in office chairs watching monitors, then responding to what ever the situation requirement might be.
All regional Police stations are now being equipped with 'state of the art' Drones, which can be activated and deployed within minutes, these Drone have all the latest technology like night vision cameras etc.
We even have cardboard Cops standing around at various retail outlet doorways.
Safe travels : Joe F
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Reply By: Member - Ups and Downs - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 08:30
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 08:30
Part of the reason for a lack of visible presence (which no doubt includes 'cost saving') is that the Police Force are having trouble recruiting people.
Why would that be?
From my perspective I see that the people on the front line aren't supported by their heirarchy.
Arrest someone of the wrong colour and their lawyers create problems that the poor copper doesn't need.
Defend yourself where the armed victim is killed and get pilloried.
I for one want a Police 'Force' that WILL be prepared to do whatever it takes to sustain a peaceful life for those want to live a normal, fear free life.
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Follow Up By: Member - Happy Explorer - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 11:17
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 11:17
Hi Ups and Downs
I agree with what you have said, however "Defend yourself where the armed victim is killed and get pilloried" does raise questions for me. We have seen a growing trend in more recent times for the police to shoot to kill and ask questions later. Funny too is the situation where if the victim is not killed outright then there is an all out attempt to save their life. What ever happened to shooting through the leg or similar to disable. Too often a knife wielding or similar person is shot from a distance and killed. Hardly an act of bravery no matter how one looks at it.
I can remember as many of you would too, back when it would be only under very rare circumstances that an officer would be carrying a weapon of any sort yet alone a firearm. There is probably many reasons for this change but is it necessary or better? To see general duties officers routinely carrying all manner of weapons is certainly intimidating (which I suspect is exactly what they want) but also just maybe provoking an aggressive response from some elements as
well.
A lot has changed for sure with the unpredictability of drug fuelled crimes etc. and the apparent increase of psychopaths getting around the place, but overall is the current methods improving or worsening the situation. Sort of like is all the unmanned revenue raising on the roads making the roads a safer place? I think statistics would say not. Maybe someone could clarify that.
Roy G
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 13:43
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 13:43
Happy Explorer,
Trying to deliberately shoot someone in the leg or arm with a handgun unsupported is not as easy as it is in the movies, particularly in the “heat of the moment”. Having shot handguns at a range on several occasions, aiming an unsupported handgun weighing a couple of kilograms at arms reach is extremely difficult. That is why law enforcement and military teach to aim at the largest part of the target, and that is the torso.
Macca.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 17:23
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 17:23
Knife wielding person shot at a distance. 21 feet became the 21 foot rule, or Tueller distance. That is, the threat (with an impact weapon such as a knife) — their approximate maximum distance away from a police officer for engagement. Takes 1.5 seconds for a knife wielding person to cover that distance. If you can get your handgun out in time to shoot someone in the leg in that time you must be an expert shot that practises every day or you can be a dead man. Shoot for centre mass.
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Reply By: Member - peter_mcc - Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 12:03
Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 at 12:03
It's not just a WA problem - we rarely see a patrol car on the road in NSW except when it's a double demerits period - then they are everywhere. The only thing I see around
Sydney is mobile speed cameras, including the one at Rhodes (
Sydney) watching the bumper to bumper peak hour traffic regularly.
From everything I've seen the government seems to only focus on things they can enforce with cameras. That was speeding, now it's also mobile phone usage and seatbelts. Everything else that needs cops on the road to detect gets ignored.
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