Monday, Sep 07, 2020 at 00:54
Werner,
I hired a "Scout", which is a 4WD Sprinter van, from Britz in 2018. They cycle them out of their inventory after only one or two seasons. I wonder if the van you propose to drive is a former Britz Scout?
I'm not familiar with all of the roads/tracks you mention. I do know the Tanami,
Oodnadatta,
Birdsville, and Strzelecki Tracks are relatively wide roads that are maintained. They may have some corrugations but as mentioned above, you actually don't need a 4WD if it's dry. (Though hire companies will insist you get a 4WD for any dirt roads.)
The Gunbarrel, at least the part I drove, is a different matter. And I did not drive on the particularly rough "abandoned" section. A lot of the stretch I drove is a true track, only a single vehicle width. And there are "washaways" in sections. I drove the Gunbarrel last year, in a Toyota Troopcarrier ("Troopy") hire vehicle. I think the Sprinter would have got through okay. But I don't think it's the best choice for true tracks.
The Sprinter is somewhat larger than the typical 4WD used outback. It is wider and longer. And here I am assuming the vehicle you plan to drive has not been extended to be even longer. I was pleased that the ground clearance on
mine was quite high. Once, someone asked me where and how the "lift" was installed, because they wanted to do something similar to their own vehicle! (I don't know if Britz had the vehicles lifted higher or not.) Will yours be the same?
During my time in the Sprinter, I found the ride on corrugations to be quite poor. I drove the section of the Anne Beadell "Highway" west to Emu and back. This stretch of track is notoriously corrugated. The ride was extremely "bouncy", very uncomfortably so. A different ride on corrugations than in the Troopy. Or for that matter, any 4WD vehicle I've owned here at
home in the US. Perhaps a different Sprinter might have a different
suspension set-up, and wouldn't have this problem? I don't know.
Another important point raised above is the fuel capacity. The Sprinter I drove had only a 75-liter tank. Compare to a Troopy, that has a total capacity of 180 liters. I think some Sprinters may have larger tanks, or have been fitted with a second tank. But this is a very important consideration. During my Emu jaunt mentioned above, the "low fuel" light was on before I got back to
Coober Pedy.
One thing the Sprinter may lack that a "real" 4WD would have is recovery points, AKA tow hooks.
My Sprinter had an eye bolt that screws into a hole on the front and/or rear of the vehicle, like a subcompact car would have! Thankfully I did not need to be pulled out of anything!
As for tyres,
mine was fitted with Bridgestone Dueler AT's, which performed
well through my travels. Most important, no punctures!
As mentioned, the most important factor in safe travel is to "drive to conditions." Lastly, yes, the winter months (and possibly late Autumn/early spring) are the time to travel in the Outback.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Sep 08, 2020 at 15:52
Tuesday, Sep 08, 2020 at 15:52
Hi Candace,
Out of curiosity, how would you rate a Ford F-250 4X4 compared to say a 78 Series Landcruiser Dual Cap Ute? I am curious as I have often thought that the American Pickups are not as “strong” off road as the Landcruiser.
Macca.
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Follow Up By: Candace S. - Saturday, Sep 26, 2020 at 03:51
Saturday, Sep 26, 2020 at 03:51
Macca,
Sorry, I haven't been on the site for a while and just saw your question!
I've never owned a "pickup truck." Nor even driven one on the dirt. But my perception is the good ol' troopy wagons (with bushcamper conversion) I drove in Oz are probably better for the sort of driving done in the outback. In particular, for driving hundreds of kilometers on rough, corrugated roads. :)
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Sep 26, 2020 at 07:10
Saturday, Sep 26, 2020 at 07:10
Thanks Candace, no problem with the delay, we are all busy at times. I thought along the same lines as you, but like you, I have not driven any of the American pick ups. I know there are parts of the US that are pretty rugged, and America does have more pickups than Landcruisers, so I was curious to know if there were many “breakages” with the pickups.
I have had a 100 Series, a 76 Series, and now a 200 Series, so I am pretty familiar with their capabilities and the toughness.
Macca.
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Follow Up By: Candace S. - Monday, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:51
Monday, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:51
Macca,
I see, I think you are concerned about frame or chassis breakage, as happens sometimes with the dual-cab utes? That seems very uncommon with pickup trucks here. Probably because the rear axle is located farther back. Though creative owners still find ways to screw it up, LOL:
Bent F150
My internet search revealed other people with cracked/broken pickup frames. But it appeared most were using their pickups as snow plows, or the trucks had otherwise been used for many years in "snow country" where rust is a big issue. Or the vehicle was decades old.
Of course, placing the rear axle farther back leads to a longer wheelbase. Which makes these big trucks unsuitable for really rough roads; they bottom-out or get hung up in tight turns. Unless you throw on a lofty lift and huge rims/tires. Plus, they're wide, compared to other full-size vehicles. Such as the various Jeep models, my old Nissan Xterra, or my current Toyota 4Runner. See
pic, LOL.
Based on my experience in the Southwestern US, nowadays at least half the vehicles on rougher roads are some sort of ATV. Jeep Wranglers, possibly with lots of modifications, are still quite popular. If people are planning any serious four-wheeling but want a pickup truck, they would probably go with the Toyota Tacoma, not a full-size pickup. (Yes, the
Ranger is available again, but I've yet to see any out on the dirt.)
Width comparison: My old Nissan Xterra vs Chevy Silverado
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Monday, Oct 12, 2020 at 17:04
Monday, Oct 12, 2020 at 17:04
Hi Candace,
Thanks for the follow up & research. I was interested in a 2500 Series Pickup, either F250 or Chevy Silverado at one stage for their weight carrying and towing capacity. However I think they are too wide for our outback roads & tracks. Also concerned about parts availability in the outback, and their ruggedness, and ability to absorb corrugations and rough conditions.
I have been looking at the latest OKA in a dual cab chassis. If you are not aware, they are an Australian purpose built OffRoad 4 x 4 light truck. They are built in
Perth. They now come with an Auto transmission. 4,500 kg GVM, and I think 4,500 kg towing capacity.
Macca.
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