ATM upgrade
Submitted: Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 14:02
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Outback kid
Thought you may be interested. I have just had a mechanical engineer update the ATM on my caravan from 2.65 tonne to 3.1 tonne and one of the things he rejected was the hyland 3.5 tonne off road hitch. Apparently this hitch is not legal it dose not have the Australian standards stampeded on it and it apparently has had a few problems so $270.00 dollars later purchased an ARK 3.5 tonne extreme off road hitch which is currently being fitted . This was a very expensive operation $ 1700 to get the new compliance plate + and another $600.00 to have the A frame repaired where a shonky job was done by who ever fitted the Hyland Hitch the Van was second hand when we purchased it so we think the hyland coupling was fitted after market because the chassis had been oxyed to fit the bolts therefore did not pass the engineered
test .The engineer said that the chassis of my van was one of the best constructed he had seen . not every van can have the ATM upgraded but had no hesitation with
mine. This turned out to be a very expensive operation but i don't have to worry about overloading or being refused pay out by insurance company if I have an accident. Cheers Tony
Reply By: Gundarooster - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 15:00
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 15:00
I had my van upgraded from 2500 to 3000kgs, all that was needed was springs with an extra leaf. But no compliance plate required just the printed paper rego form.
I also upgraded the Patrol from 3060 to 3500kgs and again just paper rego, no amended compliance plate, not sure if its just a NSW thing? Will interstate authorities accept the rego papers as proof of the upgrade??
Gazza
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Follow Up By: Member - bbuzz (NSW) - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 16:55
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 16:55
Hi,
How did you get the Patrol upgraded? ie what was added or beefed up to meet the extra weight?
bill
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyV - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 15:39
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 15:39
Gazza, it will be accepted by all states while registered in NSW.
GVM and ATM upgrades can be done on pre registered vehicles and accepted by all states.
Registered vehicles can be upgraded as you did, but if you sell or try and transfer to another state you will need to get it re-engineered.
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Reply By: Outback kid - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:44
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:44
Yes i have to take the van over the inspection pits then they will update the rego papers i am in
Canberra and in
Canberra you get ripped off for everything We have the highest rego cost in Australia. $505. to reg my 22 ft van.
I had my 1994 80 series upgraded from the 2500kg to 3.1 towing a few years back cost $1000.00 all that was needed was heavy duty tow bar
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Follow Up By: GREG T11 - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 20:50
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 20:50
Please tell us you are not towing it with the 80 series !
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Follow Up By: Tony C16 - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 05:44
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 05:44
I have been towing with the 80 for years been around Australia 3 times bit slow up steep hills other wise very good and 16 liters 100 l guess the factory turbo helps
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 07:01
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 07:01
Hi Greg
What is wrong with towing with an 80 series?
We also didn't get the compliance plate with the paperwork. The RTA in the ACT supplies a blank plate for us to get engraved and then they stamp it. The engineer only supplied the paperwork.
Phil
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Follow Up By: GREG T11 - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 20:07
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 20:07
The figures 3.1 tonne ATM upgrade and later the mention of his 80 series was upgraded to 3.1 T in the past, the only requirement a h/duty towbar, no mention of upgraded brakes or
suspension to his 80 series which is why I asked. So far no reply..
The reality is the O.P has upgraded his van to carry 3.1 T, if he pulling it with his 80 series as good as they are he must be borderline with GCM ? O.K there's probably a heap of people out here doing it right now but in a vehicle that has more power and better dynamics.
Would you tow a trailer at your max tow rating regardless of vehicle?
Be a bloody slow trip regardless, until you were going down a nice long steep incline then things might get interesting.
All hypothetical until we know the answer though.
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Follow Up By: Tony C16 - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 20:37
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 20:37
Greg my understanding is the 80 series 94 and 96 Are the same mechanicaly the 94 was released with 2500 kg towing the same vehicle released in 96 had 3500 the only difference was the towbar brakes are the same as is the
suspension . Although I have had the
suspension up graded on
mine please correct if you know this to be incorrect. My cruiser handle s the 3ton van extremely
well just because the ATM and cruiser have been updated dose not mean that you are carrying or pulling those weights Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Outback kid - Wednesday, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:47
Wednesday, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:47
1994 80 series tubo diesel
my rig Greg what do you see wrong with it
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Follow Up By: Chris v6 - Wednesday, Apr 05, 2017 at 09:22
Wednesday, Apr 05, 2017 at 09:22
late 80 series has bigger brakes
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Follow Up By: GREG T11 - Thursday, Apr 06, 2017 at 19:59
Thursday, Apr 06, 2017 at 19:59
I eat humble pie, I did not realise they upgraded the tow ratings towards the end of model run.
Happy travels Outback Kid.
P.S, you 80 series aficionados a crying out for a rea window sticker like a old cocky had on the back of his HJ45? ute that came into my old work. Nice old original truck with the words " I may be slower than you but I'm still in front " placed prominently across his rear window. Made my day the first time I saw it.
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Follow Up By: Outback kid - Saturday, Apr 08, 2017 at 10:10
Saturday, Apr 08, 2017 at 10:10
For those who doubt the 80 series I have been one of a very few who have towed a 3 tone van across the ferry at the
Daintree and continued up to
cape tribulation was a scary drive because the road is very steep and very narrow. On the way out left early in the morning before ferry started so to avoid meeting any traffic as this would have proved to be problem on the narrow road. I would not do it again.
the 80 series performed faultlessly.
I have also done the climb from
Gloucester to
Nowendoc and on to
Walcha this is also a very steep climb. Cruising across the Nullarbore was great and returning 16.5 liters per hundred is better than a lot of the modern vehicles including the 4 cylinder ones
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:46
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:46
We have run an ARK XO hitch for the last 3 years. Starting to show it's age now but still works great
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Reply By: Outback kid - Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:50
Monday, Apr 03, 2017 at 19:50
Gazza What is going to happen if you get pulled up and the rego papers don't match the compliance plate they may accuse you having a stolen van.
You also have to have the vin no stamped into the chassis here in
Canberra according to the engineer so they can trace the van if stolen. not sure if i am being told wrong information but makes sense .
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Follow Up By: Gundarooster - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 09:31
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 09:31
Outback Kid,
VIN on compliance plate matches papers only ATM differs? I would prefer correct compliance plates on both but doesn't seem possible in NSW. Tried to contact Lotus to get a new plate from them but they don't want to help (they were just as unhelpful when I was researching the upgrade, they only wanted to sell me a new one) So wouldn't recommend them at all to anyone.
Does anyone know who or how I can get new compliance plates??
Gazza
Just spoke with NSW RTA and am assured if I have rego papers and copy of the Engineering certification report it will be acceptable to authorities Australia wide. So all's good.
Gazza
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Reply By: Malcom M - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 06:24
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 06:24
Think you will find your Hyland was a Chinese clone and the genuine ones have the standards imprinted.
You should be breathing a sigh of relief that the chinese rubbish was identified and removed before you lost the trailer
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Reply By: Gundarooster - Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 08:51
Tuesday, Apr 04, 2017 at 08:51
Patrol Upgrade was as follows:
Front springs, steering damper, Koni Shocks (already fitted from new), rear spring tower strengthening kit, springs, Koni Shocks, brake load adjuster changed, wheel alignment and Engineering Inspection and road
test.
Gazza
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Reply By: Member - gonefish - Friday, Apr 07, 2017 at 22:21
Friday, Apr 07, 2017 at 22:21
In WA, where would you go to have the van up- rated. We are considering a generator box on the rear, and moving the spare tyre. Jayco say no. Eastern States vans are everwhere with the rear boxes, so do we have do have a Caravan place do the work? Then how or who does the inspection and the work signed off.
No negatives please, there must be possibilities.
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Friday, Apr 07, 2017 at 22:30
Friday, Apr 07, 2017 at 22:30
I had
mine upgraded at the local trailer builder. He is also a Licenced Inspection Agent.
He checked it all out, did the measurements, did the new compliance plate, filled in all the paperwork for me to take to the Transport office.
All done in less than an hour -total cost was around $150 (I think)
Cheers
Anthony
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