Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:17
I'd like to make a comment and I know you will think its just bagging Coopers but my facts are just that.
The last 4 years a group of mates and I have done some reasonably heavy duty 4WD trips, this year I moved to a caravan and still did some off road stuff but not as full on as the following.
2010
Simpson Desert crossing and all the "tracks" to and from.
2011 Anne Beadle and Gunbarrell Highways
2012
Cape York (including the OTT)
2013
Canning Stock Route (the most difficult of the lot) also coming back via the Tanami and Plenty Highways so thousands of off road K's
Now of the 5 of us, 3 were running Coopers, 1 Micky Thompson and myself BFG, all were AT's.
On every trip the tyres to fail on every occasion were the Coopers, we lost 3 tyres in 2010, another 3 in 2011, just the 1 in 2012 and a staggering 7 on the 2013 trip.
For the tyres who are supposed to have the strongest sidewalls they failed miserably as most were lost this way ( one copped a nail and shredded itself after losing pressure).
I have had to replace my BFG's (they did 2010-11-12 and my normal running around) and will have to replace then before doing the
Kimberley (up to Kulumburu) in 2015 as they were so knocked around with the CSR where we had dreadful conditions BUT not one blow out or flat in all that time.
Now I have no axe to grind, I am not "anti Coopers", and from purely a traction point of view they go
well BUT the figures don't lie, 14 heavy duty trips, 3 4WD's and FOURTEEN tyres.
Oh, and no need to make a comment about "had the tyre pressures been right" either, we are all experienced 4WDers and let me assure you know what pressures to have and are constantly changing and checking them (sometimes 3 or 4 times a day in the bad stuff).
Take from this what you will.
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Follow Up By: Mark T6 - Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:19
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:19
Clearly that is 4 trips NOT 14
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 15:00
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 15:00
Yes, I am a fan of BFG ATs as
well.
Four big trips, all between 10k and 18k of outback dirt and gibber plus numerous weekends and short trips to softer destinations. The vehicle is always heavy and the trailer puts about 150kg on the towbar.
Every time so far I have come
home with the same six tyres on the wheels and three unused spares.
Mates with Kumho, Coopers, Toyo and Bridgestone have not fared so
well.
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Follow Up By: cvhq - Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 15:44
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 15:44
The only reson have not looked at bfg is i want something more aggressive the at's but not as agressive as muddies.Leaving cooper stmax.Mikey t's ATZ P3 or duertracs.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 21:28
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 21:28
That's a very similar experience to
mine Mark. While few people that I tour with run Coopers, they have been disproportionately the worst performing tyre on every big trip without exception. I do believe however that generally the current tyres they are now making are far better than the shockers we've seen fail in the past 15 years but they'll have to prove themselves over time before we'd ever touch them.
The tyres of choice in our groups are currently MTR's, Procomp, Bridgestone Dueler's & a few are trying out the new Nitto's.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Terry 80FTE - Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 22:47
Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 at 22:47
Mark, do you know if any of the cooper tyres on those trips were the newer STMaxx's?
As we do know Coopers went through a bad patch. I had some STT's that lost some lugs, have also had Procomps and NFG's split around the bead line, and sidewall tears in both.
Even my preferred mud MTR's have ripped off lugs and had punctures,
Why can't they make tougher rubber? Hhmmm. maybe it's what we do to them.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 17:17
Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 17:17
"We do know Coopers went through a bad patch"
Terry I wouldn't call 15 years a bad patch. That's a systemic problem ;-) But credit where due personally have not seen or heard 1st hand of the current tyres having any of the common failures of the past.
Cheers Craig........
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Terry 80FTE - Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 20:44
Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 20:44
Hi Craig, "15 years.....systemic problem;-) " yeah I guess times a relevant thing, LOL, it was about 10 years ago I went away from them,
decided to try them again due to good reports, they looked a good tread/shoulder design and the strong side walls,
as previously stated lovin them, they work and are holding up
well, and don't understeer as much in the softer stuff like the MTR's.
Hope they will be my main tyres for a while.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mark T6 - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 17:38
Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 17:38
All were AT's, I think that's the STT (not an expert on the brand).
This is in the period 2010-13
Maybe the current (as in 2014) Coppers are better, who knows
Remember I am NOT here bagging the brand, just recounting the experiences I saw first hand.
None of us run Muddies, all of us use our Fourby's both on and off road.
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