2012 D-Max speedo accuracy?
Submitted: Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:22
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MarJac
Hello all,
I own a new 2012 D-Max 4x4 crew cab , I have only owned it for about 4 weeks. We just completed a day trip to
Double Island point just so I could "get the front wheels turning". I also took my GPS along to mark any prime
camping spots should we find any.
Whilst we were travelling along the highway I noticed the speed on the GPS was reading considerably different to the speedo on the vehicle, (about 8 kph) at 100kph. GPS speed was 100kph, vehicle speedo was 108kph. I was wondering if any other D-Max owners have experienced the same issue?
Reply By: tazbaz - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:36
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:36
Marjac
I think you will find that many or most passenger vehicles are like that. My 2008 Kia Sorento and a mates 2008 5 series BMW speedos overate the speed at around 100kph
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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:37
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:37
Most vehicles suffer from the same issue, my Triton is about 5 or 6 kph out.
Apparently the design rules only require it to be within 10% above and I think there is less tolerance reading low.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:45
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:45
A bit of reading.
From 1 July 2006 newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule.
This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo.
That is, at a true vehicle speed of 100km/h the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. An alternative way to look at it is; at an indicated speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.
Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read ‘safe’, meaning that they are not permitted to read lower than the actual speed of the vehicle.
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Reply By: Member Andys Adventures - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:40
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:40
Hi MarJac, The speedo will be out by 5 per cent at 100 kph. It is in every car. You have heard of the story that police give you 5kph over the speed limit,
well they don't, its your speedo that gives it to you. Manufactures are required by law to have speedo read more than the car is doing. Just go by your GPS and you won't get a speeding ticket.
Yours Andy
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:47
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 09:47
Better still, forget the GPS, the speedo is 8kmh over so if you sit on 100kmh by the speedo you are using your cars built in insurance.
So Just go by the speedo. Tony Abbott does and he isn't going over the limit..
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Reply By: Grant L - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:40
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:40
Hi MarJac
Yes have same with 2010 model was 5klm/hour out till put larger diameter tyres on now set cruise at 102klm to get true 100klm speedos can be up to ten percent wrong I believe
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Reply By: Aussi Traveller - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:57
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:57
Yeah I had the same problem 8ks faster than I was travelling, this also equates to an extra 80km per 1000 on your speedo, so when your speedo shows 10800 km you have actually done only 10000 km
Solution 265/75/16 tyres it brings the speedo back to perfect, 80 ks = 80ks 120 =120 etc.
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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:00
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:00
I should say I own a Colorado.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:39
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:39
Aussi Traveller
Speedos don't record kilometres travelled only the odometer does.
So the ODOMETER will possibly register near correct distance as it isn't locked in any way to the over set amount the speedo has built into it.
So 10,000km reading will be close to 10,000km travelled depending on tyre wear or tyre size change of course.
Fitting larger tyres ie 265/75/16 may make the actual road speed be near or same as the speedo reading but it will tip the odmeter reading to be less than accurate.
ie. ODO reads 9200km when really travelled 10,000km ( using your figure here)
Doesn't matter what vehicle you own the principles are the same.
Ross M
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Reply By: Member - Allan L2 - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 13:25
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 13:25
Hi MarJac, I own a 2011 Colorado & it also read 108 at 100kph. Australian Design Rules stipulate that it must over read. I recently checked my ode meter against a Km check on the Hume Freeway & found it registered very close to accurate. This leads me to believe that the error is built into the speedometer electronically, not in the actual speedo gearing.
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Follow Up By: hazo - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:00
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:00
Most if not all speedos nowadays are driven electronically from the onboard computer.(ECU)
I have an Isuzu NPR truck that was 9klms out when I bought it, I complained on the first service and let the service guy know, he said the usual that all speedos can be up to 10% out !
True but then I said
well if its so far out then the onboard fuel use monitor and all other computer derived items, cruise control etc. are also out.
He said he'd get the Tech to re flash the ECI, which he did, and now my speedo is spot on with my GPS.
Yes it can easily be corrected but its just a case of convincing them to do it !
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan L2 - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:19
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:19
I am aware that the Isuzu/Colorado has an electronic speedo. It's signal is sent from a gear driven sensor mounted on the transmission extension housing.
What I was referring too, is that whilst my speed registered fast, the distance measured was very close to correct, unlike a reply posted earlier.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:47
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:47
Hazo
The cruise control only reads a stream of pulses and holds that setting when the cruise is set by you, therefore the cruise has no real bearing on the speed of the vehcile as it is only set to what you want and doesn't rely on a needle position on the dash.
The speedo and the cruise just happen to use the same pulse source to read or perform the the cruise setting.
Fuel calcs shouldn't be affected because they are using the distance aspect of the info and not a speedo speed .
All the reflash did was eliminate the insurance speed which was originaly set into it so you didn't get booked as easily.
Ross M
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Reply By: get outmore - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:13
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 14:13
as said totally normal and its not a new thing.
as i kid i used to read the wheels car tests and one of the things they did was mention actusl speed vs speedo - so nothings changed in 30 years
just before GPS far less people were aware of it
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Follow Up By: Grant L - Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 19:30
Monday, Dec 31, 2012 at 19:30
MarJac
Also until recently was on second Mercedes Atego truck travelling highways to Vic and SA its speedo was out only half a Kim and always passed cars when limit was 100klm so that might explain some of the consternation with trucks supposedly speeding/passing cars
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Reply By: Member - KYLE S - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 11:15
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 11:15
Very Interesting.
I have no idea, but do wonder how accurate the speed indication is on GPS'S.
If it is I wonder if the accuracy is at all speeds. For example, might the GPS tell me the speed of
the houseboat (cruises at about 7KPM).
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 14:23
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 14:23
KYLE S
A GPS will tell you the speed if you are walking and at that speed it has the maximum time to read all the reference data and give you a reading which is as accurate as you can get.
If travelling at 1000km/h they are a little off compared with the GPS system in the aeroplane I was flying in at the time.
All data calculated by a GPS is used to determine altitude, speed direction etc and while they have some tolerance they are fairly close to true when speed is calculated.
I have 5 different types of GPS based units and all are extremely close re speed. Within 0.5km/h.
As I mentioned slower is more better.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 16:01
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 16:01
Gidday Kyle,
The GPS speed is accurate in a straight line. When you're turning you will get a slight error (you will appear to slow down, according to the GPS).
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Reply By: Member - KYLE S - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 15:49
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 15:49
Thanks
Ross,
That was very useful. I will be able to calculate how far left to go when on the river. While there are distance markers on the bank at regular intervals Murphy's does come into play.
Even if I am intent on watching for the next
sign I am inevitably distracted (getting another beer or such like). However, after a number of "distractions" I most usually forget what I was doing anyway.
I have never traveled at 1000 KPH. I guess it certainly blows the hair back.
Thanks again Kyle
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 16:08
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2013 at 16:08
KYKE S
Be careful.
Don't travel too far to the left you might be invited to join a certain political party.
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