Best type of suspension for <span class="highlight">corrugations</span>

I'm in the process of deciding which vehicle to buy for an extended trip next year. Whilst I don't intend any hard core off-road travel I do expect several hundred kms of corrugated dirt roads. (with camper trailer in tow) There seems to be plenty of literature about the pros and cons of independant vs live axle suspension when it comes to wheel travel and road handling, but was wondering if there is much of a difference on rough corrugations. I would appreciate any advice.
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Reply By: Mark C - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 00:07

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 00:07
Solid live axle coils for towing any weight are best.


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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:25

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:25
That must be why all commercial vehicles use leaf springs in the rear.
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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:36

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:36
LOL

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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:11

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:11
Most commercial vehicls use air bag suspension in the rear
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:30

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 12:30
Hilux, Hiace, Landcruiser, Triton, Navara, Isuzu, Mitsubishi Canter ......?

Sorry should of said LIGHT commercial., i forgot.

Heavy commercial yes but not on the front, haven't seen any light commercials using air bags unless speced.

Coils don't work to well carrying weight.
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 16:57

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 16:57
Trains use coils.
Their pretty heavy.
Maybe they use leaf suspension because it is cost effective.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 17:18

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 17:18
Train bogies use coils but they also have limited movement due to the fact train tracks are very smooth with little undulation so they can make the springs very short and hard.

Leaf springs are better for heavy loads due to there load sharing plus being longer can also provide a more smother ride as compared with coils designed for the same weight.

A coil spring also needs a larger shocker to control movement and dampen the coil.

Leaf springs are easier to adjust there overall specs by adding or deleting leafs or in some cases the nylon sliders between the leafs or resetting the arc.
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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 17:41

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 17:41
A characteristic of leaf springs is their low resonance and inherent damping due to friction between the leaves. This reduces shocker load. Coils on the other hand have a higher resonance and no damping which places more demand on the shockers.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:09

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:09
Haven't seen too many corrugations on train tracks - maybe they drop their pressures :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:17

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:17
Grind flat spots on the bottom of the wheels Phil :)))
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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 05:13

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 05:13
'several hundred kilometres of corrogation..."

Air down, slow down, fit quality shock absorbers and springs. OE stuff is generally poor porformance for your intentions.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:22

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:22
In the shocker department, if you can't afford Koni, have a look at the Tough Dog Big Bore adjustables. Excellent ride quality on the corrugations. On the Canning the OME nitros I was running got to 150C while the Tough Dogs were at 50C.

The Dogs are great units that have taken a pounding and come up trumps every time. Excellent for heavy corrugations.

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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 22:53

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 22:53
Had OME on the old 2.8 Lux live axle front and back, did 300thou (numerous trips round oz) never failed, no leaks and needing replacing when i sold it they had there day but the bloke who bought it off me still hasnt replaced them but he doesnt do any off roading either. While I dont have temps like you do they obviously still didnt fail you or you would have mentioned ?? Have had OME in last two prados and having this one fitted up with them as well. None have failed me and this is also on IFS front ends. Everyone to there own but till the OME fail me through lack of build quality I will continue to use them...........
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:29

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:29
And the biggest diameter tyre with the tallest section you can get running at the lowest pressure.
And don't forget that the CT needs the same.

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Reply By: Ruffy-Dan - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:30

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:30
Hey Unners..
Rather than the suspension configuration it's more the quality that counts. A camper trailer (most times) isn't a significant load for a 4wd. You will find that and independently sprung vehicle will give you a far superior ride as no wheel is effect by another wheel's movement and therefore able to react to bumps/corrugations better.
A live axle vehicle will handle severe treatment better but will be no better for corrugations given the same quality products are used.
As long as you are considering a vehicle built for said purpose, eg, Patrol, L/C, Pajero, Prado etc then your vehicle choice should be made around your total vehicle needs not just a few hundred kilometres of road. Your suspension choice will be far more critical, especially spring rate and shock brand. Everyone will have their own opinion on the right brand of shock but the shock choice should ultimately hinge on the spring choice and application. The best brand of shock can be wrong if the application is not right.

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Reply By: snoopyone - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:43

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 15:43
Probably a Hovecraft would e the ideal thing for Corrrrrrrrrugggggationnnnnns

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Reply By: Plasnart - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 16:29

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 16:29
Unners, in my experience I have found IFS vehicles far superior to live axle vehicles when it comes to corrugation comfort. Live axle vehicles have a very high unsprung weight and therefore greater suspension inertia and slower suspension reaction. This makes for a rougher ride when fast suspension reaction is required.

Live axle vehicles provide better suspension travel than IFS. This is beneficial when doing serious offroad 4x4ing (high country, etc) but this is not important for corrugated roads.

FYI, I own a live axle vehicle so this advice isn't biased.

As advised above, choose the largest capacity shocker you can afford (koni's "Raids" are superb but now I might be biased! I could hold my hand on them at any stage and not feel uncomfortable heat). The more oil capacity in the shock the lower the oil temps therefore maintaining damping ability (no fade).

I did the Anne Beadell Hwy last year and it is very very rough (just the way I like it!). My vehicle has live axles and was not as comfortable to travel in compared to the IFS vehicle that was also on the trip.

Hope this helps.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:19

Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:19
My coil/leaf Rigid Axle traytop handles corrugations a lot better than the all coil IFS prados i had before it. Tyre pressures make the biggest difference.

Regarding reliability - the most common shock failures I've seen are aftermarket and most from North and South America.
The best brands I've seen are either the Japanese made factory shocks or Konis.
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Reply By: unners - Wednesday, Aug 03, 2011 at 00:11

Wednesday, Aug 03, 2011 at 00:11
Thanks everyone for all your advice. Whatever I end up getting I'll be sure to have a good look at the springs and shocks.
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