Washing

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 22:39
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I am aware that the "Leave No Trace" suggests that you don't hang out washing at a campsite, and that some councils are irritated about campers stretching out a piece of rope for a washing line.

But... how do people do their washing? I don't want to use a drier at a laundromat. Caravan parks want to charge me per child so I'm looking at $50-60 +++ per night, so that isn't happening.

Is there an option I'm not seeing, or just continue to use the rope between the caravan and a tree?
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Reply By: Member - Josh- Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 22:59

Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 22:59
Why would "leave no trace" mean no washing hanging up?? unless you forget to take it down lol. Seriously, I can't see a problem. If your worried about the rope tied to the tree, put something on the tree to protect it. We just hung ours up around camp. Dryers in town/caravan parks are a rip off. You can buy fold away clothes airers(spelling?) but they are just more junk to carry. Just a word of warning. If you hang your undies up, I bet someone will call in to say "Hi".

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Follow Up By: ob - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:37

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:37
As a 65 year old incontinent anally non-retentive male I reckon I could clear the camp ground if I hung my undies up.





Oh........you mean after washing them....ok



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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:01

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:01
Now we know what O B stands for LOL LOL.
Good one OB.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 23:25

Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 23:25
Hi Livin on the road

While washing strung out amongst the trees at overnight free camps makes the place look like a squatters camp and is against the LNT guidelines, it can be done in a discreet manner. Most of the time you will be out of sight of the road, so hanging out the washing is not an issue. For areas where it is, we use our fold up clothes airer and put on the off road side the car or caravan (trying to follow the sun and breeze at the same time). Although your full family wash would fill several airers, a combination of the above tactics should suffice. When we were at a caravan park in Kununurra, our next door neighbours were semi permanents with the husband working in the area. They had two school age children and a one year old. They had a normal household automatic washing machine, and never used the CP laundry or clothes lines. The lady just folded everything onto the clothes airer placed neatly outside their fully enclosed annex and in the climate it all dried. Since purchasing an airer when in Tasmania, i haven't had to climb trees and tie on ropes as clothes lines, or have ants in droves coming down the line and all over the washing. A big advantage of the airer is that when in inland places the night air is very moist, washing left out is wetter in the morning than it was when hung out I bring the airer in overnight and put it back out again as soon as the morning sun dries the air. That was the washing is mostly dry by the time we are ready to leave camp.

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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 23:34

Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 23:34
i'm pretty sure everyone uses a rope and a tree from time to time.

four kids must equal a lot of washing - glad its not me!!
can you get them to run around in wet clothing to air dry it? LOL

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Reply By: ross - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:48

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:48
Anyone who gets upset over a clothes line at a camping site should stay at home.
What will they say when you get out your portable shelter for the pota potti and shower?

Next thing people will be moaning when you set up the chairs and table to eat lunch under tree.
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:50

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:50
Of course there should be an open season on morons who set up their $99 generator and let it roar all night so they can have 240 volt light.
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Follow Up By: Uncle-Laurie - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:33

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:33
Well said Ross,
we had a $99 gennie and a moron attached to the starter cord at Whalebone Bay WA in 2008. And the Moron's arm pulled the starter cord again at 6am.. I must find the video footage that i have of it..lol

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Follow Up By: Uncle-Laurie - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:37

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:37
Forgot to add, we had another with the $99 gennie camped next to us at Honeymoon Bay (Jervis Bay) a few months ago, and it too was only used to power a 240v light while 3 people sat there all night playing cards.. lol.. it just cracks me up to watch it .

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:12

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:12
I have a Yamaha 2400 - which is pretty quiet.
Yamaha and Honda expensive and low noise but if someone can only afford to buy a $99, noisy two stroke, what right have I got to impose my conditions on them - Gensets are a fact of life - live and let live.
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:01

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:01
Hi Dennis, live & let live is a good motive for most things in life. But when it comes to camping, noisy generators & in fact any generators including the "quiet"? ones are, in my opinion, an intrusion on other peoples peace & quiet if they are set up on a camp site.
One of the reasons many people go camping in the first place is to get away from the everyday noise, and simply enjoy the peaceful surrounds that the true bush has to offer.
I know I will be ridiculed etc, but I reckon all generators, cheap ones, expensive ones, quiet ones, ( if being used near other campers) should come with a couple of litres of Vaseline so that can be stuck up the owners arse.

Just what I reckon about generators. LOL & cheers as I prepare for the Flak.
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:50

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:50
Denis,I also have a Yamaha,a 1000watt unit and its probably the quietist unit on the market.
However I only start it up when I really need to and then, like anyone who shows consideration to others peace and enjoyment of the bush, I shut it down and run the fridge and lights from batteries.

I know not everyone has a big budget for camping gear,but anyone can afford a gas lamp or good quality rechargable light.
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Follow Up By: outsider - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:14

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:14
If you need a generator running all evening you are hardly "camping"
There is a lot to be said for the lack of consideration of some campers.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 17:08

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 17:08
Pray tell who made you lot the generator police , camping = different things to different people , some with all the goodies others with the bare minimum , next you small minded lot will demand no camper trailers /caravans or vehicles of any sort in camp grounds etc .
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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 15:48

Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 15:48
Lights out by 7.oopm and no talking after 7.30!
Infact, close campsites altogether.......then they will be really quite. LOL
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:39

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:39
Hi Livin On The Road,
We use a fold up clothes hoist, About 50 odd bucks. Use large tent pegs to hold it down so the wind doesn't blow it over, it's mobile so we can follow the sun with it.

I suits the 5 of us well and we have the room for it in the camper, were as those that don't have the room, a rope is fine.
We use a 20lt bucket that has a sealing lid to wash in, either seal the lid with hot water in it while traveling or when camped for a few days in one spot we use a 6" toilet plunger with a few holes drilled in it to agitate the clothes with a small amount of washing powder, then wring them out and fill with fresh water and repeat.
And in wet weather like we had in the new years at brooms Head, the line is able to be sat under the annex when raining. As long as there is a breeze they do work well.

Might be something to look at if you have the room to store it.
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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:54

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:54
Got one of those as well, and wouldn't leave home without it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Heather MG NSW - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:13

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:13
G'day H & F,

We have one of those clothes lines as well and it is fantastic but sometimes we also hang washing under our awning, or hung between trees on pieces of rope.

Living on the road, I can't see a problem with washing drying when camping and would be surprised to have anyone else complain about it!
Commercial dryers swallow $1 coins like poker machines and I rarely resort to those monsters!

Like others have responded...just do what suits you and ignore any whingers....
Its not as though it makes a noise and disturbs the peace.

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Follow Up By: sassenach.girl - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:02

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:02
Hi Hairs & Fysh. I think I recognise your camper. You weren't at Hastings Point Big4 earlier this year by chance? Next to the big group who chose to have an open fire in the park?

Sass.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:14

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:14
Hi Heather,
Your are right, do what every suits you. Geez, some people seem to get the Knickers in a twist over nothing at time.
It's camping, we respect others privacy, try and not make noise were possible and don't try and spoil others time while staying bunched together.

Hi Sass,
Sorry wasn't us, we've never stayed there. Is it a nice park? If it is we'll have to drop in there one time.
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Follow Up By: sassenach.girl - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:30

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:30
No problem. You have a doppelganger camper out there then! It is a great park. highly recommend it.
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Follow Up By: sassenach.girl - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:31

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:31
No problem. You have a doppelganger camper out there then! It is a great park. highly recommend it.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:39

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:39
Cheers for that, well have to make a weekend of it one day, only being up the road a couple of hours.
I've bookmarked their web page.
Thanks.

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Follow Up By: have a go - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 19:17

Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 19:17
Hey there John. We have one too, it use to live in the camper now its used in the house too.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:24

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:24
I just had a look at the LNT principles here. I couldn't see any reference to clotheslines.

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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:37

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:37
LNT is all about a few fanatics trying to impose themselves on everyone else.

It seems that minority groups rule these days.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:10

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:10
I tend to agree GB.
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Reply By: Ian & Sue - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:41

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:41
The people that need shooting are those whe grab the shelters and proceed to string lines all around and under them to the exclusion of anyone, camper or local who may want to use the seats or BBQ. We saw a lot of this in FNQ last year. I guess most of you know who are the main offenders.
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:05

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:05
Amazing what a sharp knife will do!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:13

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:13
Happens on the Mid North Coast NSW as well.
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Reply By: Livin On The Road - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:49

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:49
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This was taken at a designated campground.

Thanks for all the replies. The leave no trace that I'd seen was at CMCA not the the lnt website.

I might have a look around next time we are in a larger city for a clothes horse that can fold up.

Four kids does mean a lot of washing! I'm obviously going to do what's practical, but at the same time I don't want to be upsetting people and ruining it for everyone.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:00

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:00
Its a pretty sad state of affairs when maintaining some family hygeine is "upsetting" people.

Just string up a line ... as long as it aint in peoples way ... and doesnt ringbark a tree like Ive seen most peoples tarps setups doing.
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Follow Up By: Member - Noldi (WA) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:33

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:33
LOTR,

Think you may have got the wrong gist of the CMCA LNT, seems to me there saying if your not in a camping area (IE A rest area) it is inadvisable to put out things like BBQ's and washing as a ranger may interpret it as "Camping" not resting.

Me I don't think you should worry, if ranger thinks theres a problem ask him to look after the kids for a day;-) See how he goes
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:43

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:43
hi
livin on the road
i think thats a load of rubbish not been able to dry one clothes
the same people would complain if you walked around naked and more than likely the ones that complain about washing lines probably run a noisy generator a night or have loud music
just ignor them they are the control freeks of this nation and one strikes these dictator types in all walks of life they have to much time on their hands and get really picky about what others should /and /not do

when using a tree for an anchor just put a cloth or simular around the tree so the rope wont cut into the bark

if you'd like to hang your washing without using pegs
i can highly recommend ; the eyzyline ;
i have been using them for 5-6yrs now at home and travelling you can change the lenght of the line anytime by adding or deleting links
have a look at the website
www.ezyline.com.au
once you have tryed it you will be hung up on the concept
i have no connections with the company just like the product
cheers barry
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Follow Up By: farouk - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:27

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:27
Unfortunately most of the replies missed the point of the the original poster's query re " Leave no trace"
The saying refers ONLY to leaving your rubbish lying around the site, digging holes to level the van etc etc etc,when free camping
Have been caravanning for some 20 years and have free camped for the majority of our yearly trips away and have never been questioned or criticised by a council for hanging our washing out.
SOME caravan parks do have a strict policy of no hanging of washing under your awning or on a temporay clothes line but these are in the minority
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:11

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:11
Hi Colin,
One thing that has got me, is how some people deal with their waste water from their sinks, dig a hole and place, what looks like to be a lid off a 20Lt drum with the waste pipe going into it. when they have been camped for a week or more the hole, you would think would be full of fats, cooking oils and food matter. They pack up, and put dirt or sand over the hole and drive off.
What's the go with that?
We wipe everything first with paper towel, which is then placed in a rubbish bag, then wash all the plates, utensils and pots/pans in Biodegradable washing up soap, which is drained into a bucket under the camper and emptied under a bush away from everyone. When some campers leave I seen, as i think everybody has, is a pile of food scraps left behind when they go. Or even worse, the mess left under taps, Rice, Pasta, Onion etc.
Why do people do that? I'll never know.
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:54

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 19:54
If its just grey water ,I cant see a problem.
But if it contain fats,food solids or other solids,then its the same as littering
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:58

Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:58
Leave No Trace as Livin on the road has been reading, is a scheme set up by the CMCA. I understand that similar exists in New Zealand and that bush camping when not a member of the scheme and without built in grey water tanks is illegal.

In Australia there are at this stage only a few designated "LNT registered only" camp grounds.
CMCA Leave No Trace

Etiquette Etiquette for overnight parking specifies the difference between setting up camp (eg awning out, washing lines -looking like a long term stay) and stopping overnight in a rest area. As the latter is coming under pressure with rest areas where cars may stop and rest, those 'carrying their bed' may stop and rest during the day - but once night falls it becomes a no-no. We want to retain the right to rest in a rest area and not be discriminated against because we have a caravan.

Bush camping guidelinesCMCA bush camping guidelines refers to possible breaking of limbs by washing lines - not to be done within a National Park.

Common sense says that if in a free camp within a town which is providing this for our benefit, don't make it look like a squatters camp by draping washing everywhere.

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Reply By: paulnsw - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 14:18

Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 14:18
I don't do public washing machines and don't do dryers. Sun drying is the healthy germ killing free way. I have a fold out vertical aluminium drying rack that we use all the time. When there is sheets string out a rope between trees, across the awning on the caravan whatever is needed.
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