Engel 40 litre..annoying problem .. help plz

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Got a 40 litre Engel about 4 years old . Occasionally when I'm using it travelling , on 12 volt , it seems to blow the 10 fuse . This may happen once every few days . Any suggestions ? Anyone know a good Engel mechanic in Central Qld ?
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:51

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:51
If you are running it via a cigarette lighter plug, you may have a bad connection that is causing a voltage drop=current rise, which is blowing the fuse.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:59

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:59
Stockade (or what ever your name is)

Normal running current is quoted at 8 amps. A 10 amp fuse does hot leave much leeway for any "start up" surge. I would suggest that you check all connections back to the battery and then try a 15 amp or, if the wire is big enough, a 20 amp fuse. Our "no switched" fridge circuit is fused at 30 amps. We have two fridges a 21L as a freezer only and a 40L as a fridge. The same circuit is used for camp, rooftop/annex and outside lighting. No troubles at all.

Phil
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:00

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:00
Oops. I meant to ask. Where is this 10 amp fuse that is blowing?

Phil
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Follow Up By: Honky - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:05

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:05
I have a 40 litre engel and no way does it say it uses up to 8 ah.
I am sure it is around 4 which would mean a 10 amp cig lighter would be enough.
Mine has no problem even on freeze.

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Honky
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 23:42

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 23:42
Honky

Thanks you are correct. The Engel site says: DC Power Consumption: Variable from 0.5 to 2.5 AMPS Maximum .

Beats me where I got 8 from. Unless I added the two fridges together.

He still has not answered my question anyway so I will leave him to it.

Catchya

Phil
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:21

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:21
Hi Phil

That is the AVERAGE running current over 24hrs[total amphrs for 24hrs divided by 24 ] just very poorly put by Engel

It is not it's actual running current which is aroung 4<5amps
Peter
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:27

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:27
hi stockade 1
you are blaming the engel but i would just about put money on the fact that it's your power source that is faulty do you have a heavy duty fridge dedicated power supply for the fridge or are you trying to run it off a cig lighter socket and with other items drawing off the same cable

this will cause fuses to blow i had the same trouble years ago until i set up a seperate h/duty cable for the fridges only

is it the fuse in the engel plug that is blowing or the fuse in the vehicles power/supply cig lighter system that is blowing
if the latter the wiring as mentioned is far too thin to run an engel continuosly off and will blow fuses as fast as you can put them back in

most people immediately blame the appliance when in most cases with 12v stuff its the power supply wiring being to lite duty and cant handle the surge when the fridge cut in
cheers
barry
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Follow Up By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:03

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:03
Had the same problem a few years back and it turned out to be the cigarette lighter conection.Change that to the "push in and screw" type connection which is an Engel product and your problem will be fixed.
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Reply By: Rockape - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:27

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 13:27
Stockade, (I have no problems with what you call yourself)

a 10a fuse seems a tad small for your fridge, as said if the wiring can take it and it is rated higher use that size fuse instead, 15 amp would be much better. If it is an inline fuse they have a bad habit of losing spring tension on the glass fuse and they then get hot, even the spade fuse can do the same and blow.

Have a good one,
RA.
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Reply By: Member - Rob D (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:02

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:02
Some of the replies are misleading and quite incorrect.

Fuses are there to protect the cable from overload, to ensure that it does not overheat and start a fire. Inserting a larger capacity fuse could put you in such a situation, depending on the current capacity of the wiring.

You should run wiring from your battery to the fridge with a fuse located as close to the battery as possible. The current carrying capacity of the wiring should be sufficient to cope with the fridge plus any other devices that you wish to connect to the circuit. I operate electric air-bed pumps and fluorescent lights on the same circuit on my truck.

It could be that your fridge is drawing too much current during its start up transient and blowing the fuse, or it could be that you have an intermittent short circuit somewhere. Another possibility is that you have a bad connection which is causing the fuse to overheat and melt the solder in the end of the fuse (if it is a glass tube fuse).
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Reply By: stockade1 - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:46

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:46
Thanks for al the suggestions . Yes I have been using the cigarette lighter . The fuse that keeps blowing is the 10 amp blade fuse in the fridge just above the 12 volt socket . Sounds like I need to run heavier , dedicated fridge wire from battery ?
Thanks folks
Steve
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:54

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 14:54
I presume he meant the engel thermal fuse which comes standard within the cigarette type male connection.This is not the best connection especially on rough roads that is why I advised him to change to the far superior connection supplied by Engel.
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Follow Up By: stockade1 - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 15:05

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 15:05
No it is a blade fuse recessed into the body of the fridge , not the thermal fuse in the cigarette male plug
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 17:38

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 17:38
Mate check to see if the connection between the blade fuse and the terminals are in a good condition, as I said before many times the connection is not good and the fuse heats up and blows. The only other thing that I can think of could cause it is if it is trying to start soon after it switched off and the head pressure is high. It should not be able to do this but sh-t happens.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:39

Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:39
A dedicqted circuit from the battery is the best solution.
Standard cigarette lighter sockets are rated at 10 amps, but the wiring to them is light duty and the contact area of the plug/socket relatively small.

Any circuit should be protected at the battery end by a fuse and a common 12 volt 15 amp plug/socket for the fridge end is the Merit or Hella type.
These are available from most automotive supply retailers or online from Derek at Sidewinder.com.au.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:17

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:17
Hi All


Please lets get some facts right.!
An Engel draws about 5amps when running on 12v
An Engel does not have a startup surge current,it is not a conventional motor .
An Engel will not draw more current on low voltage ,IT WILL DRAW LESS!
A 10amp fuse should be adequate,was that the size originally fitted?
If so DO NOT ENCREASE ,you could do serious damage to other components

Problems which could cause the fuse to blow are :

Reverse dc input polarity

Intermittent internal fault[electrical or mechanical]

Or & the easy one, bad contact between fuse & holder causing the fuse & holder to over heat.
IS there any signs of heating in that area??

Peter
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