Charging time ?

Help neded here ??

Lent a work collegue my portable solar panels, on a fishing trip last week, and he recons the panels were a little disappionting.
They had 2 * 80 watt deep cycle battery's, swapping them day about on the charger an on their 60 lt fridge, the next day.

How long would it take me to charge an 80 amp deep cycle battery, that has been run down to 11.5 volts....?

Using a 120 Watt monocrystaline solar panel, with say 6 hrs sunlight

Is there a formula ?

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Bucky

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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:38

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:38
Two to three days for each battery would be something to work on using say 6 amps for 5 hours as a conservative estimate.
Taking the batteries down to 11.5 would do them no favours at all.
The best way to have used the panels would have been to connect both batteries in parallel and charge them together from the panel, they would have run the fridge for a few days before needing additional charging and probably wouldn't have been dragged down so low either.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 20:42

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 20:42
I was under the impression that that is the purpose of deep cycle.
Are standard deep cycle lead/acid batteries that much different in charge rates to AGM or Gel batteries ?
I have found the article on this forum about the state of charge of a battery some years back.
But am lead to believe that you can run deep cycle batteries right down, and theywill bounce back, time after time.
The one thing I told the mate was he would have been better to go out with fully charged batteries, and a multimeter, and not just look for the colour change on the I dicator on the top of the battery.

NO need to ask me what I said after he told me that

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:48

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:48
Bucky,

A 120W panel should deliver about 7 amps, or up to about 9 amps if using an MPPT controller. If you keep the panel roughly facing the sun for 6 hours, you will collect about 40 - 50 amphours a day.

How long to charge a battery that's been run down to 11.5V? That's not a good way to measure the state of charge of the battery. The measured voltage depends on recent battery history - at the same state of charge the voltage might be 11.5 while running the fridge, or 14.4 if the panel's pushing charge in, or anywhere in between. It takes hours for a battery voltage to stabilise.

I'd expect a 120W panel to keep up with the fridge demand unless the fridge is in the sun or running as a freezer.

HTH

John
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Reply By: Member - Robert R1 (SA) - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:49

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:49
Bucky,

To roughly work out how much current is being output by the panels I divide 75% of the rated power of the panel(=90w) by the battery voltage (=12v). Therefore the current output is 7.5 Amps. If you multiply this by 6 hours you get 45 Amps going into the battery in a day. If the battery is 11.5 volts to start with then it is flat so you need to put close to 80 amps back into the battery to fully charge it.

They would have to have the fridge on freeze and be sitting in the sun and be opening it all the time to use that many amps. I have used over 60 Amps a day with my fridge but not very often. Normally if it is set to 0 deg C it would use about 30 to 40 Amps on a warm day. Your panels should handle that if kept pointed at the sun all day.

Maybe the batteries weren't fully charged to start with or were old and not able to be fully charged.

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Reply By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:49

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:49
You need to ask -

- were the panels FULLY in sunlight i.e no shadow on even a part of them.
- were they placed so that the sun was reasonably close to a right angle to the surface.

I'm amazed how often I see people with their panels in the shade, e. leaning conveniently on the side of the van or tent - people seem to think that as long as there's daylight on them, they're charging fully.

Also people seem to think that if 5% of the panel is shaded, it will still put out 95% of its rated current !

Maybe Mythbusters need to work on peoples' misconceptions about Solar Panels.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:54

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:54
"How long would it take me to charge an 80 amp deep cycle battery, that has been run down to 11.5 volts....?"

Is it a wetcell or AGM Deepcycle ?? Their ability to accept charge is very different.

Is that 11.5 volts measured while the fridge compressor is running, or after the batteries have had no discharge for several hours. A battery that's 90% full could indicate 11.5 volts under a heavy load.

12 volts DC "wasn't meant to be easy" !!!
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:57

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:57
" 2 * 80 watt deep cycle battery's,"

I assume you mean 80 AMPHOUR batteries
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 14:51

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 14:51
Mike DiD

Sorry Mate
You are correct !
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Reply By: paulnsw - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:23

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:23
120W solar panel is not going to power a 60L fridge in March. If you were at a latitude comparable with Griffith the maximum you would get in a day is 36.82A further south less and further north more. Check out GD's solar hours web page.
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Reply By: Shaker - Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 18:37

Thursday, Mar 10, 2011 at 18:37
A generator would have kept them charged.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 06:19

Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 06:19
Yep, my Gennie will charge up two 120amp AGM battries in about 5 hours using a 30amp charger.
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