New Landcruiser 78 or New Patrol or New Hilux??
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 22:29
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Hi all. Great
forum. I have been reading through it for the last few days and weeks. I am currently livving in Papua New Guinea (Eastern Highlands) but I am from the USA, so I know very little about the landcruiser 70, Hilux, or Patrol. They do not exist in the States... neither do diesel engines for the most part.
Anyway, I will be in PNG for quite a while and want a vehicle that can take the abuse and keep on ticking for 15+ years. I dont want alot of maintenance. Offroad use will be common, but its not recreational... but the main roads here will be abusive enough. Running 30 kilometers over unpaved
limestone rock at 40kph plus (chimbu highway) will probably be the worst of it (with the occasional
river crossing). I wont be towing anything, but occasionally weighted down with lumber and supplies. Clearance will be an issue some of the time... and hard slick clay will be an issue a lot of the time.
I am wondering what vehicle would serve me best (keeping price in mind)
The Landcruiser 78 is $50,000.
The Patrol is $44,000
and the Hilux is $37,000
From what I understand, the hilux would be a light duty vehicle, and the landcruiser and patrol would be more stout. The Landcruiser definately would be the best choice, but is it worth the extra money? I can afford the Hilux, but the landcruiser is a stretch. Doable, but with nothing left over.
Can you guys give me some opinions, and the facts behind those opinions? Would really appreciate it!
Thanks!
Reply By: Go-N-West (WA) - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 22:52
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 22:52
Gidday Lowerlevel,
My preferance would be the toyotas but with the competition for car sales Patrol are much on Par.
Depending on your payload the landcruiser ute is a powerful turbo V8 diesel 4x4 with approx 8foot long tray,the turbo diesel hilux has got good power to size ratio but a smalller tray .
From what you have described the Landcruiser ute would be the go,if you have the opppitunity take them for atest drive that will make your own mind up.
I have owned 8 toyotas from 1975 they are a tough unit.
Good luck
GoNwest
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 09:11
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 09:11
I am pretty sure Toyota still sell the 70 series with the 1HZ motor in PNG. Ie 6cyl 85ish kw.
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Follow Up By: lowerlevel - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:59
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:59
Yes, the landcruiser still has the 1hz engine... no turbo.
The hilux has the 2.5 2kd engine with turbo and no intercooler (as far as I know) 75kw. There are no engine options, they all come standard with these engines.
I am curious as to the difference in the Diffs on the LC 70's and the Hilux. I guess the newer hilux only has a LSD??
I think most of the lc70's here have autolocking front hubs, but I dont know if they come with electronic diff locks or not (or if it is even an option).
What are you thoughts on the LSD in the Hilux? Is it still a fairly capable offroad vehicle when we are talking river crossings and hard slick clay inclines?
Or am I gonna wish I had locking hubs?
I heard the patrol couldnt go all the
places a landcruiser could go... because of ground clearance-- also the Patrol fuel pump gets knocked about when offroad. True?
Thanks
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Follow Up By: pt_nomad - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:21
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:21
Being a 1hz is a good thing in PNG. Common rail, high pressure fuel systems require very clean fuel - som thing you dont have !
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 00:07
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 00:07
your situation is a lot like
mine "was" ..... given your location it will not be the "best" type of vehicle available but the most common one in use over there and the availability of parts re-sellers, most remote
places tend to lean towards landcruisers and accordingally there are parts around and also wrecked units around so parts can be removed if needed ....................
I would assume there is also a lot of Hilux's around over there by looking at most pics that come over here ...
Take a good look around and find dealers for parts and go from there, as the best car on the road may be the best car but not worth a cent if you cant get a simple part for it.........
Cheers
Joe
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Follow Up By: lowerlevel - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:02
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:02
yep. both dealerships are here... i can get parts for Hilux, landcruiser, or the patrol. If I imported the hilux or LC, it would be a different story, as there are evidently some differences.
Patrol too, I can get parts and service for it.
A landrover or something like that would be out of the questions
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:08
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:08
I have an Aussie Hilux but apart from thre motor I think they are similar spec.
They are a good vehicle but the LSD are pretty average, I have replaced
mine with an air locker, they also could do with a lift for better ground clearance.
When you factor the cost of those two items in you have closed
the gap somewhat. My pick would be the Landcruiser if you could make it happen but with a few modifications the Hilux would still serve you
well.
I have no knowledge to comment on the Patrol
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Reply By: Gossy - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:53
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 19:53
I'd go the Patrol and remove the extra price tag for the toyota badge on the front.
There is a reason why
the rock crawlers use Patrol drive lines etc. Old, proven and strong.
Engine problems have also gone now but the longevity of the 3.0td is unknown. All that power out of a small engine has to raise concerns over the long term.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 21:45
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 21:45
I wouldnt be to worried about the power out of the engine, some small diesels are making 175kw now compared to 118kws of the patrol.
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Reply By: Michael A (VIC) - Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 20:22
Monday, Feb 14, 2011 at 20:22
As you describe the intended use,the 78 series for
mine. Simple, basic and tough. They are all capable but I would back the longevity of the Troopy.
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Reply By: lowerlevel - Saturday, Feb 19, 2011 at 09:23
Saturday, Feb 19, 2011 at 09:23
Took a look at the 76 and 78 at the toyota dealership today. (remember, this is in PNG) And there were no manual hubs and no electronic switch for locking the differential. The salesman said: "some of the LC's come with a diff switch and some dont" He couldnt explain the difference to me. He looked at me like "why would you want manual hubs or a diff switch??"
Can someone explain the difference between the 4wheel drivetrain of a Hilux and the 4wheel drivetrain of an LC70 that doesnt have manual hubs or a diff lock?
this news makes me kinda lean more towards a hilux. How does the 4wheel drive on a Hilux work? is it a center LSD or???
Thanks for the input.
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