Communications from Melb to Alice?

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Hi, We are heading from Melbourne to Alice in a few months, Toyota LC200, 23' van and two kids, 7 and 9. I am having an ARB Bullbar fitted to the Landcruiser and was also going to get a UFH radio fitted (GME TX3340). I don't really know much about UHF, so interested to know others opinions and also how far do UHF transmit? Thanks, Graham
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Reply By: Member - nomadicfamily - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 00:26

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 00:26
We had the UHF and an external aerial for the mobiles. We could pick up a few bars of reception on the mobiles going through towns, but almost nothing in between.
The UHF might transmit a maximum of 25km on the flat terrain on that trip. We use it more for letting the 8 and 9 year old roam further, or for communicating on short trips between car and van as they both have a UHF.

One of the only times it was used on our trip up to central was when a truck driver notified us irritably that we were transmitting for five seconds every few minites and he was rather upset about hearing the badly sung nursery rhymes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:56

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:56
Hopefully on your short trips you dont have someone travelling in the van otherwise why would you need a radio.

Or do you mean the van is stationary and car is out and about.

I can imagine the truckie being annoyed.

What if someone was trying to get an emergency message out and couldnt because the kids were singing songs on it.

Jeez.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:14

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:14
Geez..... a truckie being annoyed at UHF behaviour and language.

That's a classic........ Hahahahahahhahahahaha.

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Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:28

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:28
The point I was trying to make is that UHF are not karaoke machines.


They are for essential communications.

Nothing worse that getting in range of a convoy prattling on about nothing,usually on channel 18 thankfully.

Which I no longer even consider scanning

If someone wants to use it like that switch to a normally unused channel there is plenty of them without stuffing up the truck channels..

Yes I appreciate where you are coming from but the truckies out west are much better than the boofheads in the city that have a limited vocabulary usually beginning with F or C.

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Follow Up By: Member - nomadicfamily - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:36

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:36
The UHF had accidentally even set to send out a signal for a few seconds every five minutes. We had to get out the manual to work out how to turn it off, as it had been unintentionally set.

I meant that if the kids go exploring when we are stopped they have to take a UHF with them so they are contactable. Not a toy; a device to be used if they need it. They are not allowed to use it as a toy or for conversations.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:44

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:44
Oh dear at least you found it. Cant upset the truckies can we LOL

Sorry but from your OP it seemed they were using it to transmit further or maybe thats just what I read into it..


Alls good then..

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:12

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:12
Graham,

Unless you intend travelling with others, there isn't much point in having UHF if travelling on the bitumen. It's useful if you are going off the main roads and may need to contact passers by for assistance. One couple with kids we met were horrified by the suggestion that they would expose the kids to the sort of language that's too common on UHF.

If you do get a UHF set, be aware that there are big changes coming in the next year or two. The number of channels is to be doubled by reducing their channel spacing. I understand that at this stage only the current GME radios can be reprogrammed to suit. (I strongly suspect that any change may take a very long time to actually happen. )

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:12

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:12
The changes to UHF have already happened, as of 1/1/11. 80 channels are now available for communicating, but you will need a radio capable of 12.5kHz channel spacing and so far there aren't too many of these around. Icom have a couple and I think GME also now have some. Many commercial UHF sets will do 25kHz channel spacing.

Your old 40 channel will work and will be able to communicate with others who have this arrangement, but this will be phased out over the next couple of years, when, as I understand it, type approval will be removed for the 25kHz channel spaced radios.

Hope this helps.

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Mark
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:00

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:00
The changes have not already happened they have been postponed 'til April / May.
Uniden have released a 77 channel radio for the new rules ,but the additional 37 channels won't be enabled until the laws have passed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:13

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:13
Well there you go. Hadn't heard that....

Thanks,

Mark
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Reply By: WBS - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:37

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:37
Having a UHF radio is useful on any type of road. I never travel without one. We recently did the same trip and further and I had my UHF on all the time just monitoring Ch 40. The only time I engaged anyone was to assist them in getting by me and my caravan. It was also very useful when large wide loads, accompanied by pilot vehicles were in the area. They sometimes contacted me to let me know what was coming up behind or towards me and advised what I should do. At other times they just put out a general message to say where they were and how wide they were so I'd be aware.

I find the range of the CB to be no better that 10 km and at times it barely copes with 3km, depending on terrain.

WBS
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Follow Up By: WBS - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:40

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:40
Once away from the cities and large town the language is tolerable although not always and there isn't a lot of chatter. When it gets bad I just turn it down.

WBS

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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:38

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:38
Some good info above, no mention of repeaters.

Much of the station country is covered by repeaters which are accessed by putting the channels 1-8 into duplex mode.

Once you do this the radio transmits on channel 1, receives on 31. 2/32 etc. Repeaters give a significant increase in range and are particularly useful if you are in trouble and you can access one.

You'll get Next G coverage in places like Marla, Glendambo, Erldunda etc. and obviously Woomera & Coober Pedy without an external antenna but regardless of antenna you won't get it between towns.

UHF is a good idea. Sometimes even just for asking the road train behind if they want to go round, then doing it as a coordinated thing when they are ready if you are sitting on 90-95. They pull out, you drop of to 80, they pull in, missus is happy.

Beats being tailgated by a truck that needs a long time to go round you at 100kmh and doesn't want to drop back to have to wind up again.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:53

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 09:53
Get a 2nd hand one Get out of the city and put it on Ch 40 and keep the kids OFF it.

As above it is handy to talk to truckies when they want to pass.

They should be used as a communication device for essential things , not for kids to play with.

Nothing worse than being tailgated by roadtrain that you cant talk to.

They will thank you if you tell them you see them and lets know when you want to pass and we didnt notice much bad language in the outback.

One pointer Dont sit on 95kph in front of one as he cant get going fast enough to pass you.

We travelled at no more than 90 and when a truck passed, waited till the WHOLE RIG got out side us and then just backed off.

It was also appreciated if we flicked our lights when his tail passed us as its hard to judge from 53m away.

I believe some states have banned this. Why I wouldnt know as its universally done.

To say not to have one is rather foolish as there is nothing worse than coming up on someone with no radio, no mirrors no brains and holding everyone up in their own little world.

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Follow Up By: Member - nomadicfamily - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:30

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:30
Just to clarify: the kids are bot allowed to use UHF for chatting. If the 9 and 8 year olds want to explore they have to take a UHF with them. It is so that if there is a problem they are in contact.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:38

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:38
Good idea explains it better, but if truckies are upset use a different channel to 40 and they wont hear you and you wont interfere with them.

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Reply By: vk1dx - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:26

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:26
I cant stand monitoring channel 40. Why is everything F this and F that. Not necessary.

So its normally turned off unless travelling with someone or the club outings, and if I come across someone stopped. But sometimes in the bush and in remote places I will turn it on to channel 18 and leave it there.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:02

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:02
Hello again Why use channel 18 out in the bush Thats the caravanners channel Wont be too many of them in the Simpson LOL

We only struck one rude truckie outside of towns

Rest were reasonably Ok were polite and friendly and appreciative of us acknowledging them while we were poking along at 90kph and trying to keep out of their way.

Channel 18 chatter "Whats for tea tonite Mabel" "look at the cows they're eating grass"

Geez


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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:24

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:24
But that beats the F this and F that. Ch 18 is also the touring channel. Not the total domain of the caravans. You sometimes get the odd 4by on it who has kids in the car.

The only time I used it was to tell the fool in the campervan to stop making a cuppa at 50KPH up in the Kimberley and get back ito her seat. I couldn't believe she was doing that. A brainless twit.

But like I said Graham. Its mainly turned off. I prefer the stereo or my wife. Whoops! I should say my wife first and then the music.

I do not recall striking a rude truckie at all. I didn't say they were rude. The F is a natural part of their chatter.

Catchya

Phil
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Reply By: anglepole - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:28

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:28
Hi,

Excellent UHF radios are GME. If you intend to keep your UHF radio for more than 5 years ring GME office in your state (not a dealer they will probably not know or recommend one that is not upgradeable) to find out which of their current radios is upgradeable to Narrow band use.

This will save you buying a new radio when the new narrow band channels are available ie CB band will have increased from 40 to 80 channels.

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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 17:46

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 17:46
The opportunity to communicate with (or just listen to) other road users can be useful at times - road workers, truckies etc. - if you happen to break down, you might get to the next roadhouse too on UHF (if out of mobile phone range)..... I have one in the car while towing - wouldn't be without it. Effective range depends on terrain and the hardware in use by both users in a session, but 30-40km is often common across flat ground - if a repeater in the region is employed, you should get a whole lot further. As for choices, suggest you make sure you get the latest model with the latest channel compliance, in the price range you can afford - while there are several good brands to choose from (I have 3 makes) GME is an example of a very safe purchase re quality and reliability. To get an idea of models and prices in any brand, web sites like Prestige Communications in WA can provide a guide.
Touring the Stuart Hwy is great - I love it every time I go up there :-o).
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Reply By: Graham & Diane - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:31

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:31
Thanks everyone for comments, maybe I will just go with a couple of good quality handhelds instead of fitting in the car, not sure yet.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:40

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:40
Built in are 5 watt

Handhelds form 0.5 (cheap) to 2 watts but nearly as expensive as a built in one.





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Follow Up By: Effie C (Ex NT now ACT) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:52

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:52
GrahamOnce you get past Port Augusta you will not have much UHF useage even the trucks are quite as everyone is used to just driving and their own company, saying that though if you do call a truck for assistance they will talk to you, mobile telephones you may as well save your batteries as the only coverage is around the major (for outback SA and NT) towns eg Coober Pedy and Alice elsewhere forget it. Once in Alice you may pick up the Outback $wd Club (shameless plug for a good club) members if Lucky.
Repeater towers are few and far between beyond Port Augusta again and with the changes to the UHF radio spectrum they will need upgrading as well but most will probably not bother.
ICOM do a programable unit which can be reprogrammed to suit the new channel layout by the local dewaler network unlike the GME which will require returning for a chip change by the manufacturer (so I am lead to believe).

No matter what have a great trip and if leaving the tarmac maybe invest in an EPIRB with GPS capability.

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