Another Snake ID Requested

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:17
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Saw this specimen near Northcliffe. I'd call it for a tiger snake except it's so slender.

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Any opinions?

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Reply By: landseka - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:28

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:28
Yellow bellied Greenback?
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Reply By: BrownyGU - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:31

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:31
JB,

Too light underneath for a Tiger I reckon, Yellow bellied Black?
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:33

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:33
Hmmmm Green tree snake maybe, seen them berfore in NSW.
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Reply By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:42

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:42
Looks like a Western tiger to me.........................

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 05:02

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 05:02
yep westerns are poorly banded at the best of times

I will have a better look with my books but I reckon juvinille/poorly conditioned western tiger
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:49

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:49
Thanks guys. I should have said also that it was about a metre long.

Wikipedia says:

There is no snake officially known as the "Yellow-bellied black snake". However, the term is used for some of the following:

* Green tree snake (Dendrelaphis punctulata)
* Eastern tiger snake

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:53

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:53
Altho the Oils had something to say about them:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/midnight+oil/king+of+the+mountain_20093292.html

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Follow Up By: 3gobush - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:53

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:53
May I suggest a Black Whip Snake?

Rear Fanged but venomous, It may make you sick if bitten but not considered lethal.

Most sites claim it to be a snake from the East but I have seen them in the Top End and the West.
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Follow Up By: BrownyGU - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:32

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:32
John,

Well there ya go......Thanks mate!

Browny
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Reply By: River Swaggie - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:01

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:01
Either you hav a great zoom on ya camera or your bloody mad...To close for my liking..But saying that i dont like people killing them also..
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:37

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:37
G'day swaggie.

Yes my wife would agree with you. But I was never closer than 1.5 metres and it was always going away from me.

I use a Panasonic Lumix digital pocket camera with a 10X zoom. Great little camera.

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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:30

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:30
It looks like a tiger snake to me, we use to have lots of them on the farm years ago.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:33

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:33
Meant to add I'm no snake handler either so could be something else.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:36

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:36
We just removed one exactly like that off the front wall of our house.

Was about 3 ft long and as thin as a finger with no obvious enlarged head.

Was same colour as that one and friends said it was a green tree snake.

It was only interested in getting away and not attacking us.

We are near Bribe in QLD


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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:52

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:52
I aint no herpetologist but I have a long green tree snake in my backyard in Brisbane, 4101, but it is long and green, do green snakes come in colours other than green? I suppose geckoes change colour (not the asian ones I catch and feed to my chickens)
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:31

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:31
Apparently they do as per here

http://www.reptilesdownunder.com/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Colubridae/Dendrelaphis/punctulatus



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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:42

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:42
Thanks Graham
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Reply By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:37

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:37
Hi John
Most definitely a (Western) Tiger Snake ( Notechis scutatus) as suggested by Ed C (QLD).

Black Whip Snakes, Green Tree Snakes and not surprisingly Eastern Tiger Snakes (commonly called Yellow-bellied Blacks by those east of the border) don’t occur in the south west of WA.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:38

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:38
Thanks Greg. I'm inclined to agree.

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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:54

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:54
Saw one just like that while trekking, in virtually identical roadside leaf litter at the Shannon campground WA late 2009 - but it did have very pale stripes - yours might be a junior ? It slithered under the leaves as we approached but was out in the sun again later when we came back - only thing is, we were about 5m away and stayed there - who wants to die :-o).
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:45

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 18:45
hi john
thats a western tiger did you poke a stick towards it
it would have reared to a strike position
there deadly and not what you need in your swag usually 1-1.3mtrs in length
lucky you saw it and didnt walk on it
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 20:10

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 20:10
It did give me a scare Mazcan.

I was half a step away from walking onto it. I said "****!!" and backed off like real quick.

I was wearing shorts too. I won't be making that mistake again in tiger country.

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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:49

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:49
absolutely no doubt in my mind that is a local (Western) tiger snake..........

our property is crawling with them so to speak and I can tell you that they can at times vary from vivid yellow / black hue like yours and at other times less of a contrast, same as to being fat or slender

we see dozens around the house every season
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:43

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:43
Hi JB

Lovely photos - i swear i saw it move in the first photo!

It is slender, but may be a young'un.Young snakes can move fast and strike quicker than sluggish old fellas.

The tigers around here are often blackish on top and yellow underneath, whereas the ones we had (and in abundance) near Jerramungup were the most beautiful orange and black striped fellas with orange bellies.

Give him a wide berth.

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Reply By: ExplorOz - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15
Yes I'm confident to say its a tiger snake (western) - in fact this Sunday the Perth zoo had one almost identical and we discussed with the reptile guides how varied the patterns/colours/sizes of tiger snakes can be.

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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15
Cheers Bungarra and MH.

That absolutely clinches it.

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Reply By: SDG - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:15
Juvenile Western Tiger. Around a year old. By next summer it should have (maybe) a few diffrerent colured scales giving it the appearance of stripes. Not all get stripes.

The only way to identify a snake %100 is to count their scales, and determine wether it has 1 or 2 anal scales, front or rear fanged, shape of head.
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Follow Up By: wozzie (WA) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:49

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:49
So !

who's game enough to pick one up to count the scales, especially anal ones or to check their fangs ?? <(:-o))

Those tigers can be really aggressive if they want.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:50

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:50
OK, after you've counted the anal scales, report back! I'll just wait over here.

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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:19

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:19
Years ago I worked at the local animal park, primarily in the reptile section.

One day the police showed up. They had a bag with them. They handed it to me and asked me to get the drugs out. Apparently they had picked up somebody that had hitchhiked from Perth with drugs in his bag. On the way over the hitchiker found some snakes and put them in the bag as well.

I emptied one of the tanks that we kept snakes in. Turned the bag upside down, and unzipped it. The police were standing at the furthest wall.

Out fell needles, bongs, drugs, and three pillow cases.

Hitchiker failed to tell the police he had put them in seperate bags. He was probably laughing his head off in the back of the van. (yes I believe he was still in the van)

Cops got their drugs. I got myself a Desert Death Adder, Western Brown, and a Western Tiger. Had to do a scale count on them all for requirements of the licencing people for zoos.
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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 04:54

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 04:54
cant open the pics so cant comment as a reptile remover
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Reply By: Ol' Bunky - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 08:17

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 08:17
Dugite?
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