Gas bottles

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:44
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I have a 3.3kg squat gas bottle which we use when camping to run our 2 burner stove. I have now bought an adaptor so it will fit onto the Weber Q at home. It certainly works, but it seemed to have run out of gas while I think still having gas inside.My question is: will this bottle have sufficent pressure to run the Q through the regulator? Or, will it only work while it has a certain amount of pressure?

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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:04

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:04
Don't know the webber Q, but does it have it's own regulator?

If so you should be connecting the Q directly to the cylinder not running it through a reg off the cylinder.

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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:51

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:51
Sorry
I obviously haven't expressed myself properly. The Q has a regulator, which I am running the 3.3 through. What I am asking is does the regulator require more pressure than my unregulated 2 burner stove? And if so, does the 3.3 squat bottle have sufficient pressure to run it. And will it have sufficient pressure throughout the life of the gas fill, or will it stop running the Q while still having gas left?

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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:31

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:31
Gooday,
The Baby Q definitely!!!! has to be run through a regulator, try another appliance on your bottle, sounds like a blockage or faulty regulator to me but am not a Gas Fitter.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:37

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:37
It's probably out of gas. a 3.3 kg bottle does not last long on a barbecue.



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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:20

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:20
Hi Teege,
The gas in the bottle should continue running, even through a regulator, till there is virtually no gas left in the cylinder.

Sound to me as though you have a blockage in the Q. This is the mud wasp nesting season so I would check the lines to see if that is the cause.

Try and keep all openings in your hoses etc. covered as the little buggers love to do their thing in anything not protected.

Hope this helps, Regards, Bruce.


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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 13:17

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 13:17
Teege, The pressure in a LPG bottle remains constant from full to "empty" at a pressure dependant only on the ambient temperature. The bottle contains liquid LPG with vapour above the liquid. As you draw off the vapour more liquid vaporises and maintains a constant bottle pressure. When all the liquid LPG been consumed there is now only vapour in the bottle which loses pressure as it is drawn off. At this point with all the liquid consumed the bottle may be considered empty as the remaining vapour will not last very long.

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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 15:56

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 15:56
Allan, that is a sensational explanation of how a LPG bottle works.

Thanks mate.

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Follow Up By: Member - Paul F (INT) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 19:59

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 19:59
I have often wondered myself, but in layman terms this explains the whole lot
Thank you for that.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 21:08

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 21:08
Thanks guys, while I'm on a roll I'll drop another word of wisdom for those who get worried about the potential for over-filling a LPG bottle.

These bottles incorporate a vent which is opened to facilitate the filling process. You may have noticed this venting vapour during filling. This vent connects to a tube which projects several centimetres down into the bottle. When the rising liquid LPG reaches the end of the tube it escapes from the vent. This prevents the liquid from rising any higher than the bottom of the tube and creates a vapour space at the top of the bottle allowing for expansion due to temperature. Thus the bottle cannot be over-filled. The LPG which is supplied from the bottle comes from an opening at the top in the vapour space above the dip-tube.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 23:12

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 23:12
Alan's explanation of constant pressure at the top explains why the gauge on the gas fuses is useless. This gauge works on pressure. Whilst there is still plenty of gas in the cylinder, the variation of the gauge is only the result of the change of pressure with temperature.

When the pressure in the cylinder commences to drop because it is nearly empty, then and only then will you see a drop in the gauge reading. You can get a better indication that the bottle is nearly empty by watching the flame level.


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Reply By: member - mazcan - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:02

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:02
hi teege
you may have a blockage but more likely out of gas
if you can on another source boil 2 ltrs of water and pour it down over the 3. 3 gas bottle then wait a few moments then carefully feel around the base of the g/bottle
if it is hot all over it is empty
but if you have a cold section at the lower part off the g/bottle well then it still has gas in it
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you have a blockage and/ or failure in the regulator or hose or maybe in the bbq connection

the boiling water method test has been around since gas/bottles were invented
the depth of the cold section tells you how much gas is left

after using this method a few times you get good at knowing how long it will last based on the cold zone that is felt
cheers hope this helps
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Reply By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:11

Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:11
Thanks for that everyone. I will get the bottle refilled and seewhat happens. It is more convenient to use the smaller bottle when I take the Q for a picnic.

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