Product "Water Wetter"
Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 16:45
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Member - John T (Tamworth NSW)
Afternoon all,
Just read a review in Camper Trailer touring mag about the product "Water Wetter". Supposed to help reduce engine overheating etc. Colin Broad reckons it worked a treat in his 3 litre Nissan.
Just wondering if anyone who owns a 4.2TDI Nissan has tried it and with what result. My 4.2 tends to get a mite hot when towing the CT up long slow climbs esp during the hotter weather. Any comments are always welcome
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Reply By: howesy - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:07
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:07
I've always reckoned that if you need a product like that then your cooling system is border line or inadequate and upgrading it should be considered.
I added silicone oil to the viscous hub and got a triple flow radiator (still std size) and it made a fair difference.
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Reply By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:22
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:22
John
I don't know about the product, but I do know that the temperature gauge going up has been a common complaint with the 4.2TD for years. If it works it will be a relief to a lot of people.
teege
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:37
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:37
I and other Aussie Humvee owners have been using it for quite a few years now, while we don't have a cooling system problem as such it was recommended by the Hummer owners group in the US. It does work, drops cooling system temps by a measurable amount. It comes in two colours, pink for all petrol and smaller diesels and
grey which is specially formulated for prime movers, big European diesel trucks etc.
As most of the humvee's in Oz came from Saudi Arabia they have a lot of deposits/scale in the cooling systems from the hard water over there so the water wetter makes the coolant conduct heat better which in turn helps the cooling system.
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:22
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:22
If your cooling system is working correctly a name brand ethelyne glycol based coolant mixed 50:50 with demineralised water should give your cooling system all the protection it needs. Steer clear of the cheap premixes sold at some servos.
I have been using this for over 30 years & have never overheated any car I ever owned. As long as you change it every 2 or 3 years (most people dont) you will never have a problem.
Cheers
Stu
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 22:21
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 22:21
hi
i second what bushranger has said
i to have been using castrol eth/glycol based @50/50 mix -rate for 35yrs and never had a problem with over heating and or corrosion in the engines it was in that includes tractors/ trucks /4x4 and cars great product
cheers
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Follow Up By: cdoch - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:30
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:30
Hi,
Water Wetter has originally designed for racing in that antifreeze/coolant was a
hazard if spilled onto a race track...hence use water wetter and no antifreeze/normal coolant. In theory it is better cooling than coolant. That said would I run it in a road car? Answer no (especially not mixed with coolant as it would have very minimal effect and you run the risk of incompatibility). I agree with other posts in that this is not the solution to your heat concerns, these would be better addressed by more capacity in your cooling system or replacement of faulty radiator/fan/water pump etc.
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:37
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:37
Pure water cools better than any glycol mix, Redline water wetter does make a small difference, it is used extensively in Nascar racing.
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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:51
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:51
Correct it does cool better.
However ethelyne glycol raises the boiling point of the coolant & prevents corrosion. Corrosion is not an issue in a race car because the engine is frequently stripped & rebuilt. This is not the case with a vehicle used for every day driving.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:16
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:16
I remember the bad old days of just plain water,, a few weeks later after flushing you would be shoving the hose down the radiator filler to rinse out the rust again and again!!! Yes and small lumps of rust would float out, radiator tubes clogged with rust .. water pumps would last 12 months, rusted out welsh plugs!! Yep Gee plain water was good!!! Not!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:18
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:18
Pressure raises the boiling point of water.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:54
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:54
Eth-Gly is anti-freeze ... not coolant.
Eth-Gly at 50% is great .... and provides protection against freezing in our typically australian, minus 37'c ambient temps.
As for its anti boil protection .... pfffttttttttt .............
Eth-Gly at 50% provides a whole, whopping big 7'c extra, boil over protection compared to water ....
The additives included in the eth-gly and water mix are for the corrosion preventers. Eth-Gly on its own does very little except stop your radiator icing up in our freezing weather conditions.
What mix ratio anybody uses is up to themselves ...... but theres a reason all the big name brand coolants in australia have 30/70 premixes available.
Never used water wetter but plenty swear by it .... It still needs eth-gly for use in colder climates.
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Follow Up By: Member - John T (Tamworth NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:59
Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 21:59
Thanks all for the comments etc. I've now read quite a number of reviews for the product and I think I'll stick to the existing coolant. WW appears to cause some cooling systems to go "off" rather quickly.
Maybe I'll just have to travel during the cooler months LOL
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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:35
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:35
Oz-Troopy
I am aware that it is additional additives that reduce corrosion & cavitation erosion. i was trying to keep the post simple without going in to the finer details of coolant make up.
The fact is that I & others have been using 50:50 mix as recommended by the vehicle manufactures for over 30 yrs & it works.
So next time I am on my way to my Mallee property & it's 42 deg I will give you a wave as I drive past in my 4WD while your at the side of the road with you bonnet up & steam enitting from your radiator.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:48
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:48
heh heh ....... Bit of a presumption that I'll ever be parked on the side of road - bonnet up & emitting steam ..... as that would require a certain amount of stupidity in ignoring the temp gauge and pushing a vehicle beyond its limits in the prevailing conditions .... coolant type regardless.
As I said above ... its an individuals choice .... and if some of the finer details were more common knowledge ....
.... People might be a bit more selective of their coolants ... rather than just grabbing any ol bottle of green or red stuff off the parts store shelf ... as some do.
You can sing the praises of a cold climate coolant mix all you like .... But at least the present the pros AND cons ... so people can make an informed decision.
and FWIW .... and in my experience with a number of vehicles ..... Its more likely that your success with the 50/50 mix is due to the vehicles having a capable and efficient cooling system ..... intended to make up for the poorer heat transfer ability of 50/50 compared to lower eth-gly mix ratios.
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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:00
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:00
I totally agree with you about people being selective about coolants. In fact some of the cheaper coolants are probably hardly better than using food coloring alone at preventing cavitation & corrosion. The cheaper ones can look good in the bottle but do little to help the longlivity of your cooling system.
Engine & radiator manufactures spend a lot of money on R&D in order to minimise cavitation & corrosion damage so if they recommend the 50:50 glycol based mix then I will continue to use such. Always worked for me so I am not about to change now.
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Reply By: Member - John - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 04:18
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 04:18
PWR radiator and EGT gauge, you shouldn't have problems then, drive to the EGT. Also fit an after market temp gauge to actually know what is going on and you will see that that factory gauge is not very accurate.
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Reply By: Rockape - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 07:18
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 07:18
John,
I use a product called cool down which is the equivalent of water wetter, as Peter with the Hummer said, I don't need it as such to stop the engine from overheating but I do use it because I tow and the 75 series cruisers have a small frontal area for the radiator.
It is claimed to reduce cavitation and reduces the formation of air bubbles in the water galleries around the combustion area, these bubbles reduce cooling and cause boiling in the combustion area of the head.
Works in my old girl which never overheats in the scrub or towing.
The air bubble reduction maybe something that would work on a 4.2. It is worth a try.
I have never had any build up of sludge in my cooling system and have been running this product for 100,000K.
Have a good one.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 07:22
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 07:22
John,
forgot to say with the overheating problem and the long pulls, try dropping down a gear to reduce the amount fuel going in and with the higher revs more water will circulate through the cooling system.
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Follow Up By: Member - John T (Tamworth NSW) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:28
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:28
Rockape,
Yes mate, always drop down a gear and try hard not to use full throttle - still gets a mite warm though, esp in the 35 degree+ days. As I said earlier, I'll just limit our travels to the cooler months and stay away from hills LOL
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:08
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:08
John,
the beauty of getting older is it's all downhill from there. LOL, so that should help.
Have a cool one.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 18:50
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 18:50
John,
can I ask you what sort of temps the 4.2 is getting up to.
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Follow Up By: Member - John T (Tamworth NSW) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 20:39
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 20:39
Rockape
Only going on the Nissan gauge mate - went to about 7/8ths of the scale going up the
Moonbi Range just outside
Tamworth around Xmas - 35 degree day towing the Trak Shak. Must get some decent instruments one of these days
Cheers
PS goes back to narmal as soon as we reach the top.
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Reply By: Ruffy-Dan - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 14:03
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 14:03
Whilst these products certainly do carry the charataristics they are advertised with, i am yet to find a person who can convince me that they are an appropriate solution/remedy to a problem.
It is a
well known fact that cost cutting exercises have led to manufacturers fitting vehicles with radiators that will only just suffice. The 4.2td GU is one of them. Most of them will increase in temp when towing on hills. Fitting a radiator that is up to the task is a far more sensible solution.
These "water wetting" agents are great at masking 'minor' cooling system issues that would, in ordinary cases, act as warning signals.
If you are relying on the product to do the job of the cooling system what do you do if you loose the contents of the cooling system. Do you need to carry a wetting agent with you?
Just the first 3 issues that spring to mind.
DAN
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Follow Up By: Member - John T (Tamworth NSW) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:35
Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:35
Afternoon Dan
I'm
well aware of the 4.2's habit of getting a mite warm when worked hard. 118K's with regular servicing, new hoses about 20k ago, change the "Green" coolant once a year before any big trips so the engine itself is fine. The design of the engine is OLD and I'm not sure that the water galleries were ever designed to carry the flow required to transfer the heat - how many Kw's did the original 4.2 generate (85 I seem to recall) and
mine is happy to put out about 120 + so - more power probably = more heat to dispose of.
Cannot justify a $1000 + radiator at the moment.
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