Toyota RAV4 V6 3.5l towing Jayco Expanda

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 at 13:59
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Hi all, we are about to embark on the big lap with our family of four and are planning on taking a Toyota RAV4 3.5 L V6 towing a Jayco Expanda. The RAV has a towing capacity of 1900 kg and the Jayco weighs 1350 kg unloaded. As we are novices at all this, does that sound reasonable, allowing approx 500 kg for loading? Any issues to be aware of? We're taking eight months, heading south from the Gold Coast Feb 1. Any general advice on road tripping with kids?
Thanks.
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Reply By: Not so grey nomads - Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 at 17:38

Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 at 17:38
No advice, but we may see you on the road learning as we go! Ant and Nat in a big Regal.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 at 20:17

Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 at 20:17
If it is a single axle van it will probably only have a payload limit of 300kg

A tandem usually has 400kg

Look on the compliance plate in the boot It will give the limits


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Reply By: Sigmund - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:03

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:03
You also need to check the weight on the ball.Click me. And even if within the limit, see how much sag you get on the rear springs with the Expanda and the vehicle loaded. Too much sag will compromise vehicle handling and is best addressed with a load redistribution hitch.

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If there are 4 of you, and you are driving with full water tanks, loaded fridge(s) etc. you can easily reach 500kg of load.

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Tripping with kids? Yeah, it can be hallucinogenic sometimes :-}

Depending on their age ....

* aim for lots of stops so they can burn up some energy running around, in playgrounds etc
* provide plenty of activities & games they can do in the car
* include them in the planning
* give them jobs to do in setting up and demounting
* take it easy at first until you settle into a routine
* see if they're interested in/able to write or contribute to a trip blog
* travelling together for a long period of time can be stressful so be open to opportunities to divide up and do different things

Good luck.
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Reply By: dereki - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:06

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:06
I believe these number to be correct but please verify.

GVM 2150kg, kerb weight is 1650kg, you will need to ensure that ball weight plus the rest of the load inside the car including passengers and petrol, doesn't exceed 520kg. So assume the ball weight is 10%, that means 1350kg + 300kg load in the van gives 165kg on the ball leaving only 335kg inside the car. About 200kgs for passengers(I assumed 2 older kids), 50kg fuel?? and whamo.. about 80kgs for gear in the car plus 300kgs/400kgs in the van (see other post above post).

If you can fit in that sort of weight then all good.

They have heaps of power for towing. Not bad for beaches and light off road as well.

Do you have the Toyota tow kit, which has an extra auto transmission cooler?
Might be worth checking out.

Have fun.

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Follow Up By: timbaker - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:16

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:16
Wow, thanks. That's a fair bit to get my head around but appreciate the tips. Was going to do an RACQ towing workshop before we go too, as I've never even towed a trailer in my life! Kids are 5 and 8. thanks for the tips.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:38

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:38
At least 165 on the ball 200 would be better

Would think 4 persons woud exceed 200kg as well

Im not fat and weigh 90kg wife is about 57. so kids would have to be light.

Yes would need a oil cooler if auto and a WDH.

Personally I think you are asking a boy to do a mans job and something bigger would make you more comfortable.

Also will only have car tyres on when LT's are much more durable but whether they make them in your size may be debatable.

Overloading will kill the thing eventually and maybe you as well should something go wrong.

Remember if overloading can be attributed to an accident your claim may be denied

Also if they have a small fuel tanks you may have problems in the north and west as it can be a long way betweeen drinks and the fuel figures can quite often be doubled when towing.

EG my Cruiser does 10.4 kpl on its own but only 5.5 when towing.

Give you a bit more to consider



So you may have to carry extra fuel Where?????


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Follow Up By: dereki - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:43

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:43
Good points.

from here... http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17333

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Jayco Swan weighing around 1200kg ... averaged around 17 to 18l/100ks travelling at 85km/h. Up to 19l/100 if we tried 95 to 100.
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Fuel tank of 60 liters does not give much range. Are you going places where fuel is hard to get?
Another problem I can see is the ball weight of the 1900kg Hayman Reece hitch is only 150kg.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:58

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:58
I read that thread in the link and all I can say is that few of them will learn the hard way about towing in OD and overloading both car and van.

Seemed they were a rather uninformed lot.

Seems a few forgot the ball weight is part of the cars load..

Oh well



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Reply By: timbaker - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:08

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:08
As I say, we're novices, but any idea what the longest distances between fuel stops is in the north-west. We're sticking to the coast and main roads where possible. Sounds like we might only expect 300 km per tank, how much of a problem is that likely to be in that part of the world?
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Follow Up By: timbaker - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:11

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:11
And any suggestions on WDH? this is all like learning a new language.
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Follow Up By: dereki - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 14:33

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 14:33
I would be doing a lot of research around the fuel availability in that part of the world. Some quick googling and someone rekonds 306km is the longest (who knows tho). You will have to fill up at every petrol station/road house and only travel when they are open. You will not have much leeway to do any sight seeing. A couple of jerry cans is good insurance, but... thats more weight to consider.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 16:17

Friday, Dec 10, 2010 at 16:17
A WDH is a Weight distribution hitch and may or may not be able to be used on your vehicle.

As for fuel get a head wind in the west and fuel consumption can double from what we have suggested.

It does blow Its not the windsurfing capital of Aussie for fun.

We were coming back up to Norseman from Esperance and the side wind was so bad it pulled the van and the rear of the car across bad enough to scrub the inside of one tyre on the inside and the opposite one on the outside.
Head winds on the Nullarbor can be a real experience as well

I would say 300k a tank would be very marginal in some places even keeping speeds at no more than 90kph

Prices at roadhouses will make you cry .

We have a 145litre capacity and even then carried 40 L extra. $1.85 for diesel at Wycliffe Well and Erldunda

With your weights and lack of room it will be difficult.

lots of places well over $1.40 $1.64-70 in places.

We tried to get between larger or in fact any town without filling at roadhouses.

Eg Coober Pedy to Erldunda is about 500k Only roadhouses in between We made it with a bit to spare.

We did 55,000k and I reckon we spent $12,500 on fuel alone The trip cost AT LEAST $1 per K in total , stayed in van parks every night though.

That was for 2 only. Sightseeing some days we did in excess of 500k at Geraldton looking for wildflowers and at Kalgoorlie looking for ???? but we did it.

I would think long periods in a small vehicle will make for a most unpleasant trip and unnecessary worry as to loadings of both vehicles. Some thinking for you but a larger vehicle would be much better and safer.

Just my thoughts but others will no doubt rubbish this.


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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:11

Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:11
Just as an aside to this about fuel consumption.

One day when weather was bad, raining and a strong headwind we got barely 4 kpl or 25L per 100km

2 days later wind had turned around and we got nearly 7 KPL
or just over 14L per 100km

Something to be considered as well


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Reply By: timbaker - Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:55

Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:55
Thanks for all the tips. I am feeling a little confused though, I have to say. I had been assured the V6 RAV4 could tow up to 1900 kg, and at 3.5L it as big an engine as some of the Prado's I see around, and the same engine as the Kluger. I wonder whether the RAV is perceived as a small car because of its diminutive predecessors. The Expanda was recommended as a good compromise between a camper trailer and a van because it was relatively light and low profile to tow. So ... I'm still left kinda weighing up the pros and cons. Though I think the fuel range looms as a real issue. Anyway, welcome any further insights and will continue our research, thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 14:16

Saturday, Dec 11, 2010 at 14:16
Its not the engine thats the problem really.

Its the caryring capacity of the rig.

Single axle van Normally 300kg If its a tandem 400kg

Very hard to keep it at that as it includes water, gas, food clothing cooking utensils jacks and anything else you need, especially 4 of you

Water 1 60l tank + gas 2 bottles =96 kg to start.

You cannot legally load a van with 500kg if its ATM isnt enough for that.

The car with a 500kg payload

Fuel 55kg, ball weight
Legally as said 150 kg which is a bit light then 4 pax 200kg at least is 405kg
Tools which you would be advised to carry 15kg at least A couple of spare tubes and tyre changing gear.

Doesnt leave much for anything else.

There is also the GCVM witch is the total loaded legal weight of the whole rig It will give that in the handbook.

While our vehicle can tow 3500kg and have a loaded weight of 3260kg it cant tow the full 3500 if its fully loaded. So best have a look.

I would look and see if there is a towing pack with a higher allowable ball weight as 150 is a bit too light for a van weighing over 1500kg.
The WDH is another 30kg approx plus the heavier towbar.

You will also need to fit an electric brake controller A Tekonsha Prodigy or a P3 are the best.. I still think the vehicle is a bit small and if you are travelling long distances Comfort is everything.

We went away for 6 months originally with a 21ft van and found it hard to stay below the legal weight limit and that was just two of us.
We had over 900kg available inc ball weight and still left stuff behind.



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