Challenger A/C noise

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 20:04
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Hi guys,

I am now the very proud owner of a 2000 Challenger. I had been looking for some time to find just the right one, and only a week ago came across a beauty. I'll post a photo when I get the chance.

Anyway, on the way to work tonight I had the aircon on and it was doing a fine job - only when I stopped at traffic lights, I heard what sounded like a groaning, whining noise. This disappeared when I disengaged the a/c switch, and reappeared when I turned it back on. On the way home last night, it made a click/thud noise when I turned it on, but again workded fine and produced nice cold air. Just wondering if anyone could shed some light on this, as I was hoping to have some trouble free time with my new baby.

Cheers Smokey
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 20:41

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 20:41
Smokey, Book her in for a service at your local Mitsubishi dealer, from your very brief description could be clutch related issue on the Air Con or a pulley. If you haven't used the air con for a while soemtimes the Air Con Clutch or pulley can become a little sticky for want of a better term, nevertheless put it on your "To Check" list when the vehicle goes in for service.

You did not mention if the vehicle had been serviced since purchase or if the vehicle was inspected prior to purchase.?
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Follow Up By: SmokeyD - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:12

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:12
TerraFirma,

No, the A/C was working fine at the time of sale (usual story) and I have no idea if the a/c was used regularly or not.

Not about to take the car to Mitsi - they are not trustworthy enough to stop at the problem and charge the earth for minor things. This is historical fact for me, and I know some parts are charged 800% more than generic brands. I also don't go for the "use only genuine parts" diatribe either - sounds harsh, but they really are not on planet earth.
I was hoping someone may have had the same problem and could relate the fix.
Anyway, thanks for your reply, perhaps an inspection (which I haven't had time to do yet) I will find the cause.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:34

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:34
You are not going to get the issue fixed on these forums, advise yes, but at the end of the day someone needs to look at the vehicle if the problem exists. If you dont trust the local Mitsubushi dealer then find someone else.
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Follow Up By: Secret Mens Business - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:42

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:42
Sounds like you dont take your vehicles anywhere because you dont trust anyone Smokey, you better get that sorted and then take the rig into them to check your pulleys, tensioners and air con clutch
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Follow Up By: SmokeyD - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 22:26

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 22:26
Thanks guys - yes it is very hard to find someone you can trust, problem is when you get burnt time after time, you tend to tar everyone with the dame brush.
In general, I have done my own repairs - because of this very reason. I will check what you guys have mentioned, and then scout around for a trusworthy non-dealer type mechanic. Thanks heaps.
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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:32

Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:32
check your idler pulleys and tensioners
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:25

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:25
Hi Smokey. You need to look under your bonnet with the air and engine operating. Have the heater fan inside on the low speed setting. Watch the Air Con. compressor at the front. It should be spinning at the pulley speed. If the noise is evident wait untill the front stops spinning.(it will stop when the thermostat inside the cabin gets down to the correct temperature) If the noise goes away it will be a problem inside the compressor and you will need an A/C specialist to look at it. The compressor will cycle in and out as the temperature inside the cabin rises and falls. If the noise is there continuously even with the comp. clutch not spinning then you will have to look at clutch/pulley/idler bearings. Hope that helps. Bob.

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Reply By: Member - dave e (QLD) - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 08:54

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 08:54
hi smokey i had the same sound in my pajero,took me a while to work it out,found that the condensor fan (the one at the front of the radiator)had packed it in,it works fine ,nice and cold especially when your travelling,but once you stop at lights or get stuck in traffic ,especially when its a hot day ,theres not enough airflow thru the condensor to condense and cool the a/c gas which then sends the head pressures thru the roof and causes the compressor to struggle, it will moan and groan and the belt will start to slip as the compressor binds up, once you get moving again the natural air flow cools the gas and all is good again.
to check if it working, with the car off see if you can spin the fan by hand,grab hold of it and see if its loose(bearing problem), start her up turn the a/c on and check if the condensor fan comes on, it should come on straight away,
it might not be the problem but its worth a shot,please let us know how you go
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Follow Up By: Member - dave e (QLD) - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:02

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:02
smokey, i forgot to state the very obvious,it could just be the a/c belt is loose and slipping,i just assumed this was checked, but with a lot of newer cars the a/c belts have to very tight,sometimes tighter than you would think is normal to stop the slipping and squeal that comes with a loose belt
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Follow Up By: SmokeyD - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:35

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:35
Hi Dave,

Think you have hit the nail on the head. I did what Toyacrusa said this morning - ie, started the engine and AC, listened to the AC comp. and all was good - no noise. Thought to myself, how odd - thought the problem had gone away.The AC clutch cut in and out and all sounded fine, like it should.
I then went for a drive and today was warm here, over 30 degrees, and sure enough the noise eventually came back, especially at traffic lights, as you pointed out. I pulled over at one stage, and lifted the bonnet - it was quite hot in there and the noise apparent. The belt didn't appear to slip, and no there was no slipping noise.

This condenser fan you mention sits in front of the radiator? I haven't noticed it, nor have I looked for it before - but it sounds logical seeing as how the problem only arises after the engine heats up. How easy is it to fix/replace?
I will do the checks tomorrow - is the condensor faneasy enough to see?

Cheers, Smokey
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Follow Up By: Member - dave e (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 17:59

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 17:59
hi smokey,the fan will be easy to see .not sure how hard to replace as dont know much about a challenger,just listen for a fan at the front of the car when you turn the a/c on ,turn it on and off a few times to check ,the time that its taken me to write this message you should have your answer, its the fan just behind the cars grille
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Reply By: oz doc - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:47

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:47
HI SmokeyD- we had a similar problem with our challenger. We had repeated problems with the air-con pulley- which our service mechanic replaced several times. Usually we would have a belt noise, then after the belt was replaced the pulley would go, then the belt noise would reappear. Made me think there was an underlying problem to cause this. We also had the "thud" when turning the air con on. Having said that- the air con worked fine the whole time. Never did get it sorted whilst we owned the car(4 years). So I guess what I am saying is- if you end up diagnosing a belt/pulley bearing problem- might pay to look a little further for the cause.cheers,doc.
ps- I hear you when you say you can't trust your local Mitsi mechanic- although in my (awful) experience- it is not only dealer mechanics, I've had problems with both dealer and non dealer mechanics. Pays to learn some basics if you can. But don't get too disillusioned and tar them all with the same brush. There are some good outfits out there- just a case of finding them and establishing a good relationship.doc.
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Follow Up By: SmokeyD - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:49

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:49
Hi Oz doc,
Yep, you are right - finding the trusworthy Mechanic full stop is the trick!

I have done engine repairs over the years (mostly on the older cars) but these newer beasts are designed the baffle the would-be home mech. Don't know if you have read the previous follow-up re the condensor fan, but it's sounding more and more likely. I hope I didn't sound too harsh in my first post. It's just that I have been burnt too often, and cherish these forums with top guys who give of their knowledge and time - free of charge. I also like to nut through a problem as it gives a heap of satisfaction when the problem is found!
Thanks to you all for your time and thoughts.

Cheers SmokeyD
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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 21:50

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 21:50
take it to an Air/Conditioning specialist .
thats there business . sounds like the bearing on the compressor
not the clutch
mechpete
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Follow Up By: SmokeyD - Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 22:46

Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 22:46
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your reply - think if it were the compressor bearing, it would make the noise all the time it was running, which it doesn't.

Only go to "specialists" as a last resort. Very often you can save lots of money by doing your own research - rather than paying for their time.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 00:35

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 00:35
smokey .I,m trying to help you out . have come across this problem a lot
you asked for help . it most likely will be the bearing in the compressor not the clutch .
because it only turns when the A/C is on
mechpete
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:57

Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:57
So many experts and only one right answer that got swept under the carpet.... good on you "dave e (QLD)" for answering correctly.

When traveling your getting good air flow over the condenser but when you stop your compressor head pressures increase to a point where the high pressure switch cuts the compressor out with a thud, when the pressure drops to a satisfactory pressure the compressor engages again ..... at 300 psi a compressor will draw around 7 hp and then a bit to start driving.

Check you viscous engine fan to see if it is engaging correctly and also have a look at your aux fan.

Grab a garden hose and on a warm day run your car and when it starts to do it spray the condenser with a fine mist of water..... if it settles down you have a condensing problems that can be caused by a blocked condenser (internally or externally) or to much refrigerant but 9/10 times it is caused by poor air flow.


"Only go to "specialists" as a last resort. Very often you can save lots of money by doing your own research - rather than paying for their time."

I would go to a specialist as we usually know what we are talking about and very often we can save you lots of money...... by stopping DIYers replacing parts that aren't necessary or destroying perfectly good parts.

But then again DIYers make us make more money!

I would listen to "dave e (QLD)"
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