Baking Bread

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What options do you have if you are not allowed a fire and not taking the bread maker? I normally bake the bread in the camp oven but we are not allowed fires where we are going.....is there some trick you can do to bake the bread on the gas stove at low temps?

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Reply By: Isuzumu - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:35

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:35
I am going to buy a Webber Baby Q soon, so I will try it for baking bread, maybe it could work, might use to much gas, just a thought.
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:39

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:39
You could always use the camp oven on the stove top with a good trivet in the bottom to keep the bread away from the heat a bit.

You might have to experiment a bit.
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Reply By: Tenpounder (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:43

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:43
Hi there. I hope this helps: for several years, we have used small cast iron camp ovens (one is a small round oven, the other is an oval oven that just fits a two burner stove) to cook meals (roasts, braises, etc.) I can't see any reason why you couldn't use this technique for bread.
The good thing is you don't need extra vessels - the camp oven is equally happy on the stove, or on the coals.
We actually use a cast iron camp oven on the stove top inside the caravan as well. You don't need high heat, of course. The lid seems to ensure the heat is spread around the food, including the top.
We have not had any problems (no cracks etc., for example).
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:47

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:47
Thanks

I am just not sure if enough heat will get to the top of the loaf...might try one tonight and see how it works
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:51

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:51
Hope it works. And please let me know the result (my wife likes the idea of fresh bread too, and we certainly don't want to be dependent on 240v).
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:44

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 13:44
After some googling I found a product called camp oven mate

Click here


Will be perfect for the job
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:23

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:23
Just get youself a Coleman stovetop oven , takes up very little room.
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:36

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:36
troll81

I found this an interesting project for any DIYer ....

camp oven from old 9kg gas bottle

Is heat beads in a confined space allowed on fire ban days ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:57

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:57
Using heat beads in any confined space is vey dangerous as they give of a large amount of carbon dioxide and other gases. You need a well ventilated space. Not sure of the legality of having "fire" in camper van / tent/ trailer etc. I believe most states forbid fires (even inside tents etc possibly even gas ) on total fire bans. Others will have more knowledge on this.
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:17

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:17
Hi Fred

Sorry for delay in come back .... My mistake with "confined space". I meant the confined space of the old gas bottle (cooker) not the interior of a tent or van.

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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:39

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 14:39
No trick that I know of, put the dough in the camp oven & put on low heat over
any gas ring. You can roll dough in foil & turn over when part cooked if you want to take less time,
but doesnt get that brown crusty top. Still good though.
Roll your scone dough out to allow an inch all round bottom of camp oven, score the size & shape wanted with the back of a spoon & cook in same way..delicious.
Rotate oven occassionally if outside, as wind can make one side hotter...oldbaz.


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Reply By: Rossco 09 - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:09

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:09
What options? Um, go to shop and buy it.

Aww C'mon, someone had to say it...
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:17

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:17
I would buy a Cobb Cooker for the times when you can not have camp fires.

Should do bread well.

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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:23

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:23
I thought you could not use them when there is a fire ban....my understanding is gas fuel stoves are the only ones you can use?
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:22

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:22
You can't use gas stoves or cookers on total fire ban days.
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:26

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:26
Hi Troll,

Have you thought of buying flat bread for when you can't have a fire - you can get these with a shelf life of up to 2 months.
Another alternative is Ryvita style dry biscuits.
I take both for back up.

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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:50

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:50
it's not the same as a nice warm loaf with the butter melting on it :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 17:22

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 17:22
Warm loaf melting butter - come on you're making me drool now - lol.

By the way I have found if you use the pre mixed bread packs add some bread improver. it works wonders and will provide a much bigger loaf and not so stodgy. Well that's been my experience.
I was put onto it by a 30 years plus veteran of desert travel.

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Reply By: Mickr - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:46

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:46
Please find a link below where you can view a PDF document from the CFA re - 'Can I Or Can't I'

This states only within 20m of a dwelling, noting mobile homes, caravans or tents are not dwellings under the CFA act

Gas or electric fired portable barbecues
provided that:
The barbecue is located within 20 metres of
your dwelling (portable places of residence such
as mobile homes, caravans or tents are not
dwellings in accordance with the CFA Act)
The area 3 metres around the barbecue is
cleared of flammable material
You have either a hose connected to a water
supply or a vessel with at least 10 litres of water
An adult is there at all times when the fire is alight.
Campfires, fires for warmth or personal comfort,
and solid and liquid fuel barbecues and ovens are
banned during TFBs.


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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:54

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 15:54
So you can't use the cob in a fire ban
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Reply By: Rod E B - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 16:15

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 16:15
Should you work out the situation using heat beads

this is an interesting site

I have used heat beads to cook bread in a camp oven , works well

http://www.aussiecampovenforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

look here for the heat bead useage

http://www.aussiecampovencook.com/charcoalheatchart.htm
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 17:36

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 17:36
Have a look at a Coleman oven. It folds flat and has a door and a temperature gauge. We used ours on the CSR and it worked fine. Cakes, scones and bread. Around $55 - 00 BCF.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nathan & Lyndsey (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 23:11

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 23:11
Hi Pinko.

Can I ask how long it takes to cook bread please ?

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Follow Up By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:06

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:06
Hi Lyndsey
I use supermarket premix but add a little more yeast. There are two separate cellophane packs in the cardboard box and each makes one loaf. Normal time is about two hours start to finish and that includes thirtyfive minutes bake time.
My method is to make the dough as soon as we stop give it a knead for ten minutes place the dough in a dish covered with a tea towel then place the dish in the warmth of the closed car to prove. when the dough rises to the point of almost collapsing give it a good knead to knock the gas out of it then mould it up and put it in your tin and let it rise to about three quarters the size of the finished loaf and then bake it in a fairly hot oven. I am a pastry Cook.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nathan & Lyndsey (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 21:13

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 21:13
Hi Stan. Yes that does help. I was just after the baking time mostly. Sounds great !
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Reply By: wendys - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:09

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:09
I make roti - an Indian style flat bread - using an ordinary frying pan on gas stove. Easy to make, can vary it a lot with herbs etc., ok to eat next day, but yummy when freshly made.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:43

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:43
While I was at work the wife made the dough......it turned out really well and seems to work. Only problem was the heat from the top, 30min into the cook I flipped the bread. Cooking time was 40 minutes, first 30 on a low heat and then I cranked it a bit because I was getting impatient

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Reply By: ljsroslyn - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:48

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:48
I have used the Coleman oven for some time now to cook gluten free bread whilst on the road. I also use if for doing a roast, cakes, scones etc - anything that you would cook in a normal oven. It can used anytime EXCEPT on a total fire ban day if you have it outside. As it requires a fair amount of heat to heat it up we use a seperate gas ring.

I have enclosed a link Coleman Oven that includes a write up I did for another forum. Hope it helps
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:36

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:36
I'd go the Cobb. It makes a great roast and a great bread. It can't be used on a day of Total Fire Ban but then what can???

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Reply By: Member - Fourplayfull - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 23:02

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 23:02
Mrs.Incredible has had great success using the Coleman oven - folds flat for easy packing. The Cobb does the job also if the conditions are OK.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 00:34

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 00:34
Dick Smith sells a 12 volt oven that's about the size of a small loaf.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:33

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:33
Hi Mike

They don't really get hot enough to brown , however we have used ours to make scones , and while they don't rise as much , they come good enough for me.

Year or two ago I put a project on this site about my Version of D Smith Oven - I used the heating sides from 2 of them to make 1 oven and this means I get the 150c max all around what I am cooking and this works better.

Other plus is that you can cook it while driving to campsite, smells yummy in the car.

(Note - some new versions of these ovens only claim 120c these days)



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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:08

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:08
Robin

Do they have a Thermormostat or do they just depend on temperature stabilising when heat input equals heat leakage ?

Could the Thermostat be tweaked ?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:34

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:34
They have a sealed bi-metallic type switch bonded to the Aluminium food container and it cannot be modified unfortunately.

I think that inside the sealing is a sort of metal clad wirewound resistor which dissapates the heat.

Actually the 150c is enough as its all inside a plastic box.
My guess would be that the ones that claim 120c have skimped on the internal insulating layer.

By using two halfs and improving the insulating from the spare bits mine really works well with the heat coming from both the top and bottom.

This effectively reduces the heat leakage and makes it heat up faster and the temp cutout still operates, reducing power use.

Some of these things can be gimmicks but after 2 years of steady use it has proved to be quite an asset and the wife is the first to miss it, espically since
she discovered we can heat up heatbags in it.

While I was in there I added an indicator light , as well.
I actually worked out a temp sensor hooked up to a Pic based LCD readout , but that was overkill.




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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:22

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:22
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We have a 240V Breville Bread Maker at home. Just checked the power and it draws 425W. What is wrong with hooking that up to a 500W inverter and running it off your 12V battery. Has anybody done it?

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:58

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 19:58
No, but I've run a Breadmaker from a 1kVA Generator.
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder (SA) - Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:16

Thursday, Feb 04, 2010 at 20:16
Well, Malcolm, my maths tells me that 425W at 240v, given 90% efficiency of the inverter, will draw almost 40 amps while the bread is baking (say 15 Engels in a row!). Apart from that, there are no problems, unless the 425W load is too much for a 500W peak inverter.
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