Mitsubishi Triton 3.2L TD 2008 model engine noise
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:00
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Jumma
Hi
I was wondering if anyone else has had issues with a 2008 3.2 L turbo diesel triton. I have noticed recently (especially when cruising on the freeway) a noise, like a roar. It seems to be intermittent and more obvious in 4-5th gears when taco is reading 2000 plus rpm.
It is not the normal sound of the diesel engine. It is not caused by wind but sounds similar to the sound of something in the wind but when I coast down a
hill in neutral on clutch engaged it stops completely, even when coasting at 120 km per hour. I have tried with air con off and on, different gears etc with no idea what it could be.
It sounds like it is coming from the RHS under the bonnet and I have checked and nothing seems unusual.
This issue seems to be intermittent too. I might be cruising on the freeway with no problems, then have to slow down with traffic build up and then pick up speed again and it suddenly starts again. It then sometimes just dissapears on its own again.
The last couple of days travelling on the freeway home from work it has made the sound all the way home and it is very noise and intrusive in the cab.
Does anyone have any ideas??
Thanks in advance
Jumma
Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:31
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:31
Have you had a
Snorkel fitted??
Cheers Kev
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:54
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:54
with the warmer weather is it the fan clutching on and off?
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 18:32
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 18:32
RHS (drivers side?) is turbo and exhaust?
Sounds engine and exhaust related, throttle on, roar, throttle off , no roar?
Exhaust leak at the turbo?
Exhaust leak after the turbo near the first joint?
After market dump pipe? Crack to dump pipe?
(Original is cast so doubt that)
How many Ks on the turbo? Turbo out of balance or vane tip damaged?
If RHS is passenger side, alternator, AC, injection pump, possibly belts?
Also could it be the fan on the intercooler cutting in and out with the warmer weather?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 18:33
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 18:33
Reckon No 1 could have it, but suggested other ideas :o)
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Reply By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:10
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:10
Thanks for replies
No I don't have a
snorkel.
Yes the weather is a good point and I had considered it however this does not explain it happening at 16 degrees c and then at 32 degrees c the other day i.e. there is nothing consistent there.
The pipes to the intercooler appear to be ok by inspection.
The car has done 74 000 kms. The clutch I admit is a little worn but nothing more than usual for the k's. The noise stops when I disengage the clutch during coasting down hills etc.
I am interested in a little more explanation of what may be happening with the turbo or the intercooler... anyone have some more detailed explanation?? Thanks. It is interesting as it the noise tends to happen when the rpm's reach 2000 and over. Perhaps when the turbo is getting up to full spin or starting to really work.
I can't understand why it happens on and off though. An intermittend problem is so much harder to diagnose over a constant one. I don't think it is temperature related though. It did it all the way home today on and off and it was only 23 degreec c on the temp reading. THis morning at 5am it was only 16 degrees and it was doing it on and off. I must admit it was not doing it as much this morning....
???
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:17
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:17
Just to clarify - The noise is like a roar over the top of the normal diesel engine "roar". It sounds like a large fan is working over time or something like that - a bit hard to explain. It is almost like a really load wind tunnel roar type sound - sorry bet I can do!
Also - Yes Turbo etc is over that side.
It is definitely not a road noise, wheels, bearings, brakes, wind noise etc as I said before it still does it coasting down
hill at 120-130 km per hour while in neutral or the clutch disengaged.
Got me???
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:35
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:35
Maybe it is telling you to SLOW down LOL
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:51
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:51
Yeah - maybe it is. However I don't usually travel at that speed. 110 is normally fast enough for me on the freeway.....
Though - I am pretty Mr Mitsubishi would have far more refined, intelligent and more annoying ways of telling me to slow down these days :)
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Reply By: Member - Amy G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:41
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:41
Does it have a viscous fan? That sounds exactly like the noise that occurs when a viscous fan locks in at full speed. When the car cools down, it unlocks itself and the noise stops.
How's your temp gauge?
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:47
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:47
Viscous fan? Sound like an oil cooler fan? I am not sure I will check that out. It has only just started making this noise though and it does not sound like a normal noise.....i.e. it is quite loud - to the point that it is really annoying. The only fans I can recall is the main engine fan which runs off the main drive belts etc and cools the radiator.
I have had vehicles in the past which turn on electric cooling fans to cool down even after the engine has ben turned off. It is much louder than that type of sound.
Yeah - I have been watching the temp gauge and it has always been on about half way or just over. There doesn't seem to be anything unusual happening there.....
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:55
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:55
Yep a mechanical fan is much much louder than an electric fan since they are driven by a much bigger motor!
They are designed this way, an electric fan or even two would not be able to cool a 4WD radiator
well enough when there is very little forward speed such as on an extended climb.
Yes it is loud, but it should be rarely heard unloaded & motoring on the freeway.
May I suggest you inspect the cooling system for issues....
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:02
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:02
Yes - I will do that next. It does make sense that even though the outside ambient temperatures have been varied during the occurance from hot to cold it could still occur independently and intermittently if there is an issue with say for example a thermostat or a blockage of some type in the cooling system. Thanks
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Reply By: landed eagle - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:27
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:27
I'm towing a caravan from Nth Queensland to Tas at the moment with one of these vehicles.
Mine's a 2009 model though. Is most likely the fan.
Mine will make that noise after a long haul uphill in 4th or occasionally 3rd. Don't notice any noise until the hard work is over and I've backed off a bit.A fan roar for a little while then it slowly unwinds back to no sound at all.
Done it on and off for the last 5000ks and it hasn't stopped yet!
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:49
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:49
Yep I'd have to agree it sounds like the fan, the issue will be though is why its coming on at these temperatures....
It could be a dodgy thermostat which is causing the
water to over heat perhaps only enough for the fan to come on....
It could also be a blocked radiator causing it to not work as efficiently....have you driven thru any mud recently....
A slow failure in the cooling system will probably show up at freeway speeds moreso, but also with long periods of idling such as at traffic lights (moreso with the aircon on)....& the ambient temps are rising....
Are you loosing
water from the overflow tank? (Does it have an overflow tank?)
Remember that the engine temperature guage has a large sweet spot in the middle of the reading which covers "all normal running temperatures" & the guage doesn't move much if at all between 80-100 deg C. In your case if you take note of the guage position does it move at all when the fan is on?
Cheers
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Reply By: psproule - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:51
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:51
The noise you describe sounds exactly like the radiator fan running at full tilt. As others have mentioned they use a thermo controlled viscous clutch in the hub of the fan to drive it. The drive to the fan is varied in accordance with the temp of the air passing over it from the radiator. But they shouldn't normally run at full engine revs. It could be faulty, or the vehicle might be overheating. Given it's a 2008 it is under warranty - take it to MM.
Pat
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:05
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:05
Thanks Pat - yep - it is definitely starting to sound more like a temperature system issue. It does sound like a large fan working over time... Next step is MM for a check...
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Reply By: nsngood - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:55
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:55
Have a real good look around the front off the windscreen and even the front off the car for loose trim and bits and pieces. I have come across this sort off noise as described and you would be suprised what can cause it. Just imagine one off those windscreen trims vibrating.
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:50
Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:50
It's not wind related as it stops as soon as you drop the revs like when coasting in neutral... thx
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Reply By: DCTriton - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 23:17
Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 23:17
I have an '08 3.2 triton - it's the fan making the noise, sounds like a bloody C130 hiding under the bonnet - has been discussed several times oven on newtriton.net.
Mine seems to occasionally have a mind of it's own and will come on occasionally at temps below 10ºC
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:59
Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:59
Ok this sounds like it is the culprit! This is what I was looking for someone else with the same vehicle and problem (why try and rediscover the wheel!)... Thanks for that. Yep that is what it sounds like something very loud.
Have you complained to MM about it? Does it happen very often??
Mine did it for 50 km or som continuously the other day and the outside temperature was only in the mid 20's C. Surely this can't be normal.
I did have a mitsubishi mechanic look at it quickly and come for a drive and he could not solve the problem and he certainly did not mention that it was the fan at all.
Strange thing is - why is it still coming on when I am cruising at 100 km in 5th gear on the freeway after just leaving home. The temp gauge is reading low to mid anf the motor could hardly be very warm. Perhaps it IS a thermostat problem, this is the only obvious explanation to me if it is the fan as those things do tend to die now and again from what I understand. I might go over and check out newtriton.net.....
I am going to MM for a check up and hopefully they can give me an answer. It is definitely not normal for a vehicle to do this all the time! It needs to be rectified. If it was every now and again it would be acceptable but I towed a 1.8 t boat and full rear canopy
camping about 1.5 hour drive with 4 people on board a few weeks back and it never missed a beat, never made a sound, smooth as, towed like a champion (all 2 tonnes or so that I was carrying!!!!). I do admit the temperature was no more than 20 degrees C but still - it was working pretty damn hard towing all that gear up some pretty decent hills and guess what - no noise! Now I cruise with no load at all and it happens - it has to be a thermostat issue if it is the fan noise!!
Thanks for the help - I will post up my finding for everyone....
Cheers
James
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Reply By: Jumma - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16
Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16
I went to see MM today. Went for a drive and the noise started. THe mechanic said it sounds like the fan. It is working when it is perhaps not supposed to be though, even under very little load.
They also found a vibration in the air intake to the filter box. They have ordered a new one under warranty and will replace it in a couple of weeks.
They also decided to order a new fan to replace the existing one. They think this is the solution but I am not sure. Apparently it is NOT the thermostat as it would lock on or off and the car would be simply overheating if that was the case, which it is not. It may have something to do with the "silicon" type clutch unit in the fan that is making the fan make a lot more noise than usual. THis is NOT normal they said and it will be fixed under warranty.
Well - we will soon see if the fan is the issue or not after I get a new one.
When I come to think of it now I have also noticed that this noise (sounding like I have a huge D10 diesel engine under the bonnet) happens in all gears once the revs go over about 2000 rpm. I think it is more evident when the engine has warmed up. But it should not be happening all the time when the engine is only working under normal load. It is also very intermittent....
Will post up next results when these parts are replaced... I am hoping it is just a matter of replacing the fan....!!
Thanks to all input
James
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Reply By: tagisthename - Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 at 20:47
Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 at 20:47
I have a 2009 3.2..
Just done 5000k
Towed the van on the weekend...No problems on the way to
Victor Harbor...
On he way back temp was close to 30 and was testing towing speeds etc...
on a steep incline pushing hard..that noise scared the crap out me!!!!
as soon as I eased up it stopped...
Play around for awhile and under strain when I expect the temp increased (didnt notice gauge movement) the noise started again.....
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 at 21:08
Thursday, Oct 29, 2009 at 21:08
I am still waiting for parts to come in from MM. Expecting another week. I think I will make some calls tommorrow and try to expedite the whole affair.
Yeah, my Triton makes a horribly loud noise that appears over 2000 rpm onwards. Sounds like it is doint 5000 rpm instead of 2000. Like a dozer on steroids!
After more driving now I have found that it appears to happen mainly when the outside temperature is higher, it is persistent when the temperature is over the low 20's degree C. It also occurs on first start up until the motor is at operating temperature. Apparently it is normal for this fan to start up then and when the car is under load or getting warm in longer stints in city traffic etc etc....
The fan should NOT make this very loud noise though. MM are going to replace my fan. I am assuming that will fix the problem. I guess there must be some problem with the "silicon??" clutch in the fan hub or perhaps the fan is out of round or has a buckle in one of the blades that is causing it to run out of balance or something and makes this horrible noise.
Well - we will find out soon if that is the problem when the fan is replaced..... They counted out the problem being from the thermostat as it would apparently either stick open or closed according to the mechanics and then it would just overheat....
Tag - Not sure if the noise you are hearing is the same one I am hearing, however if it is then I believe that it should not be making such a loud noise. A fan is OK to cool things down but they apparently are NOT supposed to be that loud when the fan clutch does engage and theyu operate. Perhaps we have found an inherent fault in the triton... ie an issue with the design of the fan/hub/fan clutch???
INteresting to hear if anyone else has had this problem. 5000 k is nothing too, not even run in and yours is making the noise???
James
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Follow Up By: gelatr- Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 23:48
Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 23:48
Hi
I have the same vehicle.
I towed a camper trailer trailer from
Brisbane to the
Kimberley last October via the Plenty and Tanami. The noise you are referring to is simply a fan that kicks in when the engine temperature reaches a certain point. Driving through the
Kimberley and the
Pilbara towing a trailer in 40 degree heat the noise was there constantly - and it is quite a roar. In my case I didn't consider it to be a big deal. In my Triton the fan switched off when the outside temperature dropped or I slowed down.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Follow Up By: tagisthename - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:26
Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:26
Thanks James and Geof...
I too have woked out that this is normal....
Being a new vehicle this is the first warm weather that I have experienced so was unsure of the nosie to begin with.....
Paul
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:57
Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:57
The mechanic from MM ensured me that THIS was NOT a normal noise and the thermo fan should NOT be as loud as that. Sure it is supposed to come on when the weather is warm and when the engine is working very hard however it is not supposed to be that noisy.
Actually they also told me that the fan comes on when you first start the vehicle (cold start) also. It then disengages and stops when normal running temperature is reached.
I can understand the fan running for a long time when driving through hot 30 degree C or so with perhaps a load or lots of
hill work but it should not stay on either for normal 19-25 degrees C range...constantly! There is an issue!
BTW my new fan has arrived at MM and they are replacing my old fan later this week coming. I will post the results up.
Cheers
James
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Monday, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:30
Monday, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:30
Progress so far.....
I have had the vehicle back to MM 3 or 4 times now!
First time they changed the thermo fan clutch (central hub section). THis did not solve the problem. Not sure why they wouldn't have changed the fan blades while they were at it??? A lot of work to NOT solve the problem.
Now I pick up the car again today as they decided that the fan BLADES were the issue, causing all the noise. They changed the blades over to one off a new model they had and they have ordered new blades in for later in the week to swap them over (kind of a quick temporary fix). Problem is - It is not a fix. The same noise is there. All the way home it was there as usual. It will be there all the way to
Sydney and back tomorrow I dare say. Pain in the rear!!!!!
This noise is driving me nuts. It is ok when the fan is not running .. the car is a dream to drive. But once that fan starts up and runs with the revs (especially after 2000 rpm onwards) it sounds like the guts are being ripped out of the thing....
I am getting very frustrated now with MM and the car and if this issue is not fixed soon I will be talking seriously about compensation with MM... They can take the car for what I paid and I will get another car.. NOT a MM!!!
Will keep all posted!
James
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