transporting LPG bottles
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Brian
This may seem a strange question ... but, is there any drama in transporting a gas bottle on its side? I just don't want to stand it vertically on my roof-rack.
Reply By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 19:56
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 19:56
It's probably not the technical answer you are seeking, but I have done it ... store the gas bottle in a milk crate (perfect fit for a large bottle), laid it on the side and used chain to secure it to the roof rack. Never had a drama. My rack has a torneau (spelling???) cover that I like to use for dust reasons, and the bottle won't fit under it standing up.
I was advised to use chain to earth it, but it made sense anyway as I did not want the bottle to get ahead of me if I stopped quickly.
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Reply By: Martin - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 19:58
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 19:58
No drama about being on its side ... but maybe some about being on a roof rack. just be very sure that it's firmly secured and that you don't drive under anything low enough to hit it! They can be legally carried inside if under a certain size (maybe less than 3kg??? - perhaps someone else will know the legalities) I carry 2kg inside - low, secured and covered. Cheers
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Follow Up By: bob - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 22:30
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 22:30
the maximum size gas bottle is 2 kg for those to be carried inside a vehicle
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Reply By: Member - Eric- Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:03
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:03
Brian , I was once told that it's ilegal to carry gas bottles on a roof rack , I am still usure of the truth in what he said , I never bothered to
check. In any storage situation , amake sure the bottol is secure and nothing can rub against the valve
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Reply By: Member - Eric- Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:04
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:04
Brian , I was once told that it's ilegal to carry gas bottles on a roof rack , I am still usure of the truth in what he said , I never bothered to
check. In any storage situation , make sure the bottle is secure and nothing can rub against the valve
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Reply By: Member - Al Symers (SA) - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:07
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:07
I don't know the technical reasons either but I have always been led to believe that transporting on their side is a problem. Something to do with the fact that LPG is a liquid and the effect that the liquid has on the rubber seals. Your local LPG dealer will have the right answers.Al Symers
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Reply By: Brian - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:41
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:41
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and advice. Lots of good comments. I shall
check with the local gas distributor tomorrow, and let you know what I find out.
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Reply By: chopper - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:53
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 20:53
I too have heard that LPG bottles should not be stored on their side
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 21:17
Sunday, Sep 07, 2003 at 21:17
Whats the problem standing it up? Not going to use any more room than laying down....?
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Reply By: Martin - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:50
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:50
Problems with side storage have to be an urban myth. A gas container made with seals that were affected by LPG - give me a break!!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Wherethehellawi - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:01
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:01
You can store a gas bottle on its side...No problems at all!! The seals are designed for lpg....this means vapour and liquid
I think some above are confusing storing versus use....
The Gas Bottle must stand up when in use.
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Reply By: Member - Geoff & Karen - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:04
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:04
Hi Brian.
LPG bottles that are fitted with an insitue valve, ie( 9kg caravan bottle) should be never transported on their side. They have a pressure relief valve, and should the pressure rise too much because of high temp ect,(in the inside of a car in summer) the relief valve lets off excess vapour pressure. If the bottle was laying on its side and the relief valve went off, depending on how full or the angle of the bottle, liquid would be released instead of vapour. 1 litre of liquid = 270 litres of vapour. If your naked skin came in contact with this liquid you will recieve a very nasty freezer type burn about -30 degrees. Bottles of 2kgs or less may be transported inside a vehicle.(may vary from state to state).
Cheers Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Brian - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 14:15
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 14:15
Thanks for all the
feedback.
I have just spoken with an "expert" from an LPG supplier - lpg conversion mob, and he said transporting the standard lpg gas bottles that I / we are referring to, on their side, is a DEFINITE NO NO. Evidently the liquid lpg can "permeate" the rubber seal, and thus cause a leak.
The gas tanks 'they' use on vehicles, has a tube that picks-up at the top of the tank, and thus no liquid on the rubber seal. The experts words not
mine.
So there you go. I won't be transporting my bottle on its side.
Your call.
Brian
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Reply By: Big Red - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:00
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:00
Inside you vehicle its the silent killer (it'll send you to sleep). Particulary if the valve leaks more so if the bottle is on its side.
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Follow Up By: bruce - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:37
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:37
I think you are thinking of carbon monoxide being the silent killer...if you cannot smell leaking lpg and do something about it you are in a bad way...even the carbon monoxide fumes have a smell ..but are deadly .
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Follow Up By: duncs - Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 22:47
Monday, Sep 08, 2003 at 22:47
Bruce,
As the husband of a chemistry teacher and a firefighter I have always been taught that Carbon monoxide CO is a colourless odourless gas. It kills by displaceing oxygen from the blood. It is more readily taken up by the haemoglobin than oxygen.
It is the silent killer, but LPG will also kill you. Small leak light a smoke and bang.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: bruce - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2003 at 13:42
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2003 at 13:42
duncs..if I was to light up a smoke there would be a lot of others die as
well...from heart attacks..I have not smoked for years...but you can smell lpg..and c.o as in exhaust fumes...if you can detect either in your vehicle you really should investigate immediately..at once .. do not delay...do it now ! ..cheers
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