NSW np's - are they kidding?
Submitted: Friday, May 01, 2009 at 19:46
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mintrax
Having spent a lot of time in NP's and
free camping in VIC, TAS and SA we have decided to go to Northern NSW this winter (from vic) for a month.
Visiting a friend in Iluka so looked on the net for a
camp site nearby and came across Bunjalong NP.
I nearly died when I found that to stay there, they wanted $14 a day per person plus $7 a day NP pass.
For 2 people this is adds up to $35 a day for an unpowered site. This would be the most expensive unpowered site I have ever stayed at. This would be around 70% higher than the average commercial unpowered site.
How do they justify these prices? I think it's outrageous.
BTW I know you can get NP passes that would reduce the park pass fee, but just for a drop in...wow!
Michael
Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 19:57
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 19:57
Mintrax
The state's broke. They want to keep the plebs out. The people who set the fees get free entry.
I can't understand your total lack of understanding.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 22:46
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 22:46
BoB!!
I couldnt have put it better myself!! Take a pound out of the till !! Second thoughts, only ten shillings, we cant afford the quid. Michael
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 20:08
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 20:08
In the early 1990's we paid $27 a night for an unpowered site in
Kakadu. (2 adults and 2 kids)
I thought that was expensive at the time.
But these days the NSW NP's put that to shame by the looks.
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Reply By: bbuzz - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 20:56
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 20:56
Myall Lakes was $10 per head and $10 for the 4WD. A Pass took that down by $10 per day. The
dingo experience was free. Hawks Nest CP was $34 per night total - power and hot water showers.
The
Ruins near
Foster was $7 per person plus $14 per vehicle. Dingoes here too, friendly as
well. Hallidays Point CP was $38 with power, hot showers, TV and Games room, child's playground, kiosk.
CP's reduce their rates out of school holidays so that makes the NP's even dearer.
Always said that a National Park is a scenic area that everyone wants to go to, so the NP people grab it, put on a fee, lock the best parts away from visitors, no fires, no amenities, full garbage
bins and encourage weeds and animals
pests.
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Reply By: Member - Fred G NSW - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:01
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:01
Where did you get your info from. This is from the NSWNPWS website.
Site Link
A beat up is OK as long as you get the facts right.
Fred.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G NSW - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:04
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:04
You will also notice it is spelt Bundjalung.
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Follow Up By: mintrax - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 22:10
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 22:10
I agree Fred, but it's best to practice what you preach. The main
campground with 106 sites is
Woody Head campground with prices as I originally quoted.
Sorry about the misspelling.
Michael
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:17
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:17
The NSW governement is commited to implementing Competition Policy.
This means that Government cannot undercut business charges in providing
services Inter Alia.
In addition The NSW government cannot use other government supplied
services where private
services are available. Hence the farcical situation I saw first hand during the drought a few years ago where the feds offered army helos to supply fodder , but had to be rejected and charters used instead.
So National Parks must charge equivalent fees to local caravan parks etc. The one that springs to my mind is Yamba where the NP
campground is AFAIR $28 per night plus $10 entrance fee.
Of course none of this hurts the revenue stream to the government does it?
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Rangiephil - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:19
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 21:19
Now I recall it was Iluka I was thinking of.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 00:21
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 00:21
Phil,
I think what you describe is Cartel Policy. It amounts to nothing more than price fixing. Competition Policy would see the Nat Parks set a lower price and see if the caravan parks will come down to match it.
It is exactly why the banks went whoopee with fees and charges after the cheap Government owned bank - the Commonwealth - was privatised and joined the other Cartel banks. Only in this instance the Government is maintaining ownwership of the Nat Parks and still entering into price fixing arrangements.
In WA they justify such charges as ensuring that the "user pays" and stating that the Government should not be seen to be subsidising the operating costs of Nat Parks. That being the case, why don't they give them back to the public and let us
free camp with no facilities provided....it would suit me!
Cheers
Russ
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 10:30
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 10:30
Rangiephil replied:
The NSW governement is commited to implementing Competition Policy.
This means that Government cannot undercut business charges in providing
services Inter Alia. "
Hi
A point being pushed by the caravan parks lobby throughout Aus.
Equel facilities do not seem to be part of the equation.
For those enterested just search for threads on "end of
free camping ,"& similar There was quite a few on this on the old Msn sites [sadly lost]
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Reply By: Gronk - Friday, May 01, 2009 at 23:59
Friday, May 01, 2009 at 23:59
I stay in NP's regularly but rarely pay.....only if confronted by a
ranger.....
Why ?? only my own little thing, but I believe they are there for all people to use ( for free as
well )..
Now you will say the fees pay for upkeep and amenities.....a lot of them haven't spent money on these things for years, so where is the money going ???
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 10:38
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 10:38
So when the
ranger says that the money is used for upkeep of amenities ---
should one get a MASSIVE discount as i Bring my own
toilet - bring my own shower and TAKE ALL of my rubbish back out with me ....
so then the only "amenities" they would provide is that from mother nature - or maybe a
locked gate ???
Boc
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Reply By: Member - John & Sally W (NSW) - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 01:28
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 01:28
Not only fees, but I think a chunk of tax goes to Nps too. So everyone helps pay, not just the users. Kinda keeps that warm fuzzy feeling going?!
Sally
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Reply By: Rod, Sydney - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 07:18
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 07:18
Hi.
I've always said if you want to have a good 4WD holiday you have to leave NSW - eg the Vic Alps compared to the NSW side.
I'd suggest you do as my friends do - visit National Parks (buy the annual pass) but
camp in State Forests. The guys from state forests actually want you to use their facilities and they are free.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 09:32
Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 09:32
Sometimes in NSW you can actually have 'good' Rangers. We camped late one night and I went to the office intent on paying and said I hadn't paid but asked information on
cave tours.
I was given all the info I asked for and paid for the
cave tour. Seems the
ranger forgot all about the earlier conversation. I just needed the acknowledgment I had the intent. LOL The NSW government got you guys into the mess, now to get you out of it.
When a Forestry
camp, not only didn't they try to charge me, they even gave me wood. Thumbs up to them.
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Reply By: DIO - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:42
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:42
Whatever happened to the principle of 'user pays' !!! Who do you think pays for feral pest control, rabbit control, weed control,
hazard reduction, road building and maintenance, fence building and maintenance, erosion control, interpretive signage (for
places of interest), building and maintaining
public toilet facilities, building and maintaining
camp (ground) sites including
toilets and
water supply, staff wages, etc.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:59
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:59
DIO that all encumbering catch cry "user pays " starts to wear very thin when you have to pay a fee for what you ALLREADY OWN / OWNED, and payed for in your general federal and state taxes ,,, user pays is nothing more than a EXTRA fee rippoff to hide bad management of fiscal policy.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:57
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:57
Feral pest/weed control .... pffft
Hazard reduction ... baaahaaahaa
Road building ... as in "firetrails for fire management/
hazard reduction .... pffffft
Fence building ??? ... the adjoining property owners perhaps ???
Signage ... find it yourself or watch the nature channel on austar instead
Erosion control ???? those big humps on the firetrails that rip the gutz out of a vehicle ???
Facilities ????? .... they are kinda dependant on the location - NPWS receipts could pehaps be a tax claim as our taxes are supposed to fund our
services .... like they used too.
A drop pit dunny is not a facility - its a central waste management point ....
Pig rutted, goat chewed areas are not
camp grounds.
Blackened trees and ground is not
hazard reduction ... In a NP it is an out of control bushfire.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:57
Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:57
Is that the one that the Jindabynians refer to as "The National Sparks and Wildfire Service"? :)
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:48
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 10:48
welcome to rip-off NSW mintrax
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Reply By: Member No 1- Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:26
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:26
didnt i hear something on SA radio late last week the SA park fees have been put up also?
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Reply By: tim_c - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:53
Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:53
I generally don't stay in National Parks in NSW anymore because they are so expensive and mot much to justify the expense.
I'd recommend checking out nearby State Forests - these often have similar or better facilities to the National Parks but at a fraction of the cost (or no cost). Usually the
State Forest facilities are better maintained and cleaner - and less locked gates & coppers logs so you can still enjoy car-based camping (Nat. Parks often have the camping a fair distance from the
carpark).
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Reply By: joff1 - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 14:16
Monday, May 04, 2009 at 14:16
Nat Parks don't want us in there. Not just NSW.. everywhere in Australia.
And don't even think about dragging a camper in to most. They are set up for Volvo tourist who drag their pup tent over the treated pine logs and set up next to all the other Volvo tourist.
AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A
CAMP FIRE YOU ENVIRONMENTAL VANDAL.
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