HJ60 newbie, basic questions

Submitted: Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:01

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franken

bought a HJ61, 12HT, auto, after much looking. $3.5k.
Q1). what engine oil do I use and how often?
Q1b).other post have mentioned synthetic and semi synthetic oils, are these OK or are they not suitable for these older engines?

Q2).what auto fluid? how often?

Q2b). didn't expect to end up with an auto, are these gearboxes OK?

Q3). transfer and gearbox fluids, what do I use?

Q4). anyone got an owners manual they don't want?

Q5). anything else I need to know to look after this vehicle?

thanks
Frank

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:52

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:52

Q1 Use any 15W40 diesel engine oil on an reliable old motor like the 12H-T. Ignore the hype.

Q2 Any Dexron III auto trans fluid

Q2b They were a very reliable transmission - but they are now over 20 years old.

Q3 Use Castrol VMX-M 75/85 in the gearbox. Use any 75/90 gear oil in the transfer. Use LS90 oil in both diffs.

Q4 Sorry, but you might want to buy a Gregory's workshop manual.

Q5 Grease the wheel bearings at least every 40,000k and replace the inner axle oil seals. When you grease the prop shafts, only put 2 squirts of grease into the sliding yokes. Use DOT3 brake fluid (get it cheap from Toyota).

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:54

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:54

Whoops....don't put VMX-M into the gearbox -= I forgot its an auto :-))))))

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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 18:04

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 18:04

1 Any well known band of diesel engine oil. I dont know if synth will make any difference to a 20+ yo engine.

2 Just normal Dexron,latest version
The landcruiser autos are good automatics and can last as long as the manual gearbox.
When you change the T/case oil.if the t/case is overfilled ,it may have a leaky seal betwen auto and t/case.There is a $30 bypass hose availlable if you dont feel like stripping the whole lot down.

3 For the t/case and front diff,Castrol 80 gear oil works great.
The rear diff is LSD and needs Castrol LS90 or similar

4 Try ebay or you can get the Gregorys #512(I think) for $29.90 at supercheep.
The factory manuals are available free on the net

http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/downloads.php

Free parts catalog
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/

5 You may want to inspect the front axle for weepage behind the front wheel on the swivel joints.
Not many owners do it before they sell
I would get the manual and work through the service schedule

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Follow Up By: toyocrusa - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 20:07

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 20:07

Ross m. The bypass system is only for manual transmissions. You can't mix manual and auto oils.Regards,Bob.

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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 22:08

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 22:08

Its been a long week LOL

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Follow Up By: franken - Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:15

Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:15

thanks for links, very helpful lot on these forums.

where will I find id for type of auto gearbox?
I notice it is a little 'clunky' changing gears when hot, is this a concern.

I am aware of bypass hose on manuals (looked at lots of 60 series before buying this one), but does the auto suffer from same seal issue or not?

thanks,
frank.

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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 22:19

Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 22:19

Im pretty sure it is a A440f ,made by Aisan which is a Toyota family company.
I think they used an upgraded version ,the A441,until recently.
You can find the info on the aluminium plate on the firewall(there are 2 plates,one is a A.S. compliance plate)
Diffs should be K085 code which is 9 inch LSD 4.11

My bad on the bypass hose.Its for manuals only.

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Follow Up By: travelguy62 - Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 12:25

Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 12:25

Hi
The only problems you get is if you are towing heavy trailers/vans.The auto will get very hot and I would recomend to use a sythetic type trans fluid.Extra trans cooler will help but the syntec will help it survive.
Guy

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Reply By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 18:54

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 18:54

Hi Franken,

The HJ61 is an exceptional motor and the cream of the 60 series.
I liked them so much I bought 2 - but I have since sold one.
When I first got mine I emailed Penrite about the best oil for this older turbo diesel. I received a reply from the Chief Chemist who recommended Penrite HPR Diesel 20W60. I have used this on both vehicles for the past 2 years with no problems and virtually no oil consumption. Penrite is considered one of the better oils available and is only a little more expensive then the average brands.
With a filter change you will need 10.7 litres per change.
Mine were both 5 speed manuals so I cannot comment about the auto.
Good advice to get a Gregorys manual - there is a lot of good info in there. I always provide a copy to new owner when I sell.
Cheers
GPM

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Follow Up By: four x four - Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:27

Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:27

Hello to you, could you please advise about oil use in engine i have bought 12h-t with 89000 km distance on odometer... I live in Sakhalin Winter begins from November till March (up to -30 degrees), what oil is better to use?

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Follow Up By: four x four - Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:32

Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:32

Hello to you, My name is Evgeny.
Could you please advise about oil use in engine i have bought 12h-t with 89000 km distance on odometer... I live in Sakhalin Winter begins from November till March (up to -30 degrees), what oil is better to use? you could reply on eugene.kudryavtsev@sakhtas.ru

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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 19:54

Monday, Apr 27, 2009 at 19:54

Hi four x four,

The best I can suggest is go to the webpage for the particular oil you prefer. I always use Penrite as it is a high quality oil. They may make an oil suitable for very cold climates like yours.

www.penrite.com.au

is the Australian site.

www.penrite.us

is the USA site.
If you go to contacts and email them they will responde in due course.

Cheers
GPM

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Follow Up By: franken - Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:29

Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:29

GPM,
I have noticed two issues I would love your comments on from your experience.
Glow plug light doesn't glow and takes 3-4 fires to start from cold.
Will start 1st time if I use accelerator a little bit.

Between 1300-1500 RPM runs a little rough, sounds likes its missing, fine at all others revs.

otherwise goes like a tractor or rocket.

thanks
Frank

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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 19:45

Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 19:45

HI Frank,

I am in Queensland and they dont appear to need to glow very much at all.
My Sahara would fire up immediately (even if you forget to glow) and run beautifully - so smoothe.
My GLX is a bit like yours - the glow light does not work. I just glow for a few seconds and then it starts easily.
If its running rough it seems like an injector problem maybe. I use Pro Ma injector additive and I believe it keeps the injectors clean. I notice a difference if I dont use it for a few tank fulls.
How many Kms has your done - if high it may be worth trying the CEM treatment. I have never used it - but others on the forum report good results.
But it seems like yours may need to visit the diesel specialist and or injector technicians if these simple approaches do not work.
It is a good motor and should start easily and run very smooth. But they do vary from vehicle to vehicle - my Sahara appears to have more power than the GLX and yet the motor is identical.
Cheers
GPM

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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 22:25

Tuesday, Apr 28, 2009 at 22:25

Saharaman gave the right advice. My old HJ61 had no glowscreen,but would start instantaneously.
I suspect you have a injector problem or some other fuel related problem.
Manuals seem to have more power than the autos in the ones I have driven

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Reply By: Davo_60 - Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 19:46

Friday, Apr 24, 2009 at 19:46

G'Day Frank,

I use Penrite 15w/50 diesel oil in my HJ60, mine is only a 2h but should not make much difference. As per the above with other servicing requirements. I change the fuel filter every 12 months and drain the water separator every 6 months. The autos are very good and very strong, but their life depends on servicing. Will do 500k with regular servicing, and less if not looked after. I change the oil in the transmission every 18 months. Rust is the thing to watch out for, and that kills most of them.

Cheers,
Dave

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