Electrical Question
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:31
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Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW)
I have a 240volt fluro with a 36w globe in it. Says it draws at around 0.263amps. I have tried to connect it up to my Power Tech inverter (300w modified sine wave) however, it won't work.
I have checked the inverter with other appliance, battery charger etc and it works fine.
Is the inverter too small for this size light?
Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:37
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:37
Is it a Modified sine wave inverter or a pure sine wave inverter? Some Flouro light ballasts wont work with MSW
inverters.
Does it work in the main supply power point?
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Follow Up By: Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:39
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:39
Ok it is modified...yes it works on main supply power.
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Reply By: Member - Paul C (WA) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:49
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 15:49
Cram
The inverter is the right size in terms of watts. Suprising to see a single 4 ft flouro at 263mA, normally around 400 - 500mA. Either way the inverter is at double the amount of watts required.
MSW will be the problem. As stated above the ballast cannot function correctly without the right frequency input.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:01
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:01
Ok, so do I need a pure sine wave inverter to make it work?
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul C (WA) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:18
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:18
Short but expensive answer is ... Yes
Cheers
Paul
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:21
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:21
Try in on one before you buy first. The unit may need a bigger jolt to start than the unit can provide. The other option is to go for a 12v fluoro. Cheaper than a PSW inverter if the one you already has does the job for you
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:00
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:00
Hi Cram
One of the reasons not to get a MSW inverter if you want to use it to run many 240v devices.
They CAN cause problems with lots of gear even causing sufficient over heating to burn out the gear over time.
Standard domestic style fluoros , motors, some electronic gear some bat chargers, tvs etc CAN have problems handling the wave form..
Many will no doubt reply telling you that they have had no problems & that is the problem ,you will not know until you try it with the YOUR gear.PURE sine wave is the only certain way to be sure ALL your gear will work, unfortunately more expensive.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:27
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:27
Yes, I did not have a lot of knowledge on them when I first got the inverter but have been reading alot today and see the benefit of the pure sinewave.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:23
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:23
SOME fluoro lights use an electronic ballast and not the simple transformer style of the old ones. If the fluoro has an electronic ballast it will be very light weight. I think that you will find that it is the electronic ballast fluoros that don't like your inverter. I would not worry about getting a pure sine wave inverter as the cost does not warrant it. Cheaper to look at a 12 volt led light system.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:36
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 16:36
. . . or buy a Compact Flourescent Lamp of around 45 watts - Philips and
Nelson make them - Bunnings sell them.
Much smaller and lighter than the conventional type of long-tube fluoro.
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Reply By: Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:48
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:48
I have an old work light. The one's that have the wire around them and you can hang up around the place. I just put a compact fluro into it and it works a treat. Like you say, smaller, comapct and best of all no extra money to spend.
Well at least not till I need to run TV's etc which at present I don't.
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:25
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:25
Sounds like a power factor issue. Because the flouro has a ballast inductor in it, the power factor will somewhat less than 1.0, resulting in more current drawn than ohm's law would indicate. A capacitor is usually installed to correct this, but only when it is actually running, not starting.
Suggest you buy some 12v CFLs (Jaycar, Bunnings), which will give you much better light for a given power consumption with less hassle.
cheers, Gerry
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Reply By: GerryP - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:25
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:25
Hi Cram,
Redarc has a unit which converts your 240v fluoro to run on 12VDC. You do need to remove the existing ballast etc., but they come with full instructions. I have one and it works extremely
well - instant strike with no annoying flashing at all.
Not sure of the current price, but suspect somewhere around $60.
Check out the link
HERE
Cheers
Gerry
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Reply By: rumpig - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:26
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:26
why don't you just buy a small 240V fluro that has been converted to 12V if you want to run a normal fluro, saves the hassle of invertors, i've got one and it pumps out heaps of light. you can buy the conversion kits seperately and then gut your existing fluro, or you can buy them as a completed item already converted, just got to ad your 12V lead to it is all, just a matter of connecting 2 wires to the light.
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Reply By: Member - Cram (Newcastle NSW) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:38
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:38
Thanks for all the replies. The fact is I usually only take the fluro light with me when I am going to powered sites.
Over
Easter I am camping in the bush then heading to
Harrington for a week and so was going to take the fluro with me so I just thought I would see if it worked but obviously it did'nt.
So I will stick with my 12 volts, that I have and my coleman gas light and i have the work light if I need it.
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Reply By: bordertrek - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 21:58
Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 21:58
Just buy 12V fluro's! Narva have the best range and they are excellent quality and half the price of LED's for the same light output.
I've sold heaps of them going to have to keep a stockpile soon I think!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Feb 23, 2009 at 13:33
Monday, Feb 23, 2009 at 13:33
I haven't read all the replies but I suspect the startup voltage and current might be the issue.
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