The Nissan Legacy

Their engines were twice the capacity of the Datsun though.

I grew up with those donks Ian.

The Old Man had an HT Monaro 186 (not 186S, just a stock 186) and it would just hit the ton.

He also had an HK GTS 327 and he hit 140 mph on the speedo up the Newell HWY.

I doubt the speedo was correct. But it was some vehicle for its time.

Anyway, this is all about somtehing else.

Jim.

Quote "100 mph in a time that only such vehicles from Ford or Holden had to be V8's. "
Quote "HT Monaro 186 (not 186S, just a stock 186) and it would just hit the ton"

Make up your mind, Jim.

I've owned 2 Monaro GTS's. HT 186S bought new in Jan 70, and a 2nd hand HG 253 purchased 1978. Both easily topped the ton.

Ian

Ah yes I rememer the Falcons (Super Pusuit I think?) and the Holdens (186S) .... they looked okay in the rear vision mirror of my slant six VC Valiant ... that was until we got to a corner of course ... but I seem to remember having problems with the X2's -they were quick off the mark ..... could only catch them later in top cog ....

Memory might be a bit dodgy at times but Im sure the mates Cooper S was faster than most nissans of the day too ..... lol

datsuns of the time

And that was a 1965 model car. Not overhead cam either.

I had a shovelnose once too - it was pretty smooth at 80mph. Not many around now.

The clutch even on the 4.2 is the weakest point. I change mine at purchase to a 4Terrain (half button clutch) from Clutch Industries.

It takes one bunch of mongrels to see another bunch of mongrels.....hahahahahahahahahaha....................................

too shay !!!!! hahahaha

watch the road noise in the Mazda

We have the latest model mazda 3 hatch.
It really likes petrol, a lot.
13L/100 My patrol gets better than that round town.
Road noise is a bit harsh and the electric steering assist is "different".

Pooley

Angler..............maybe yours has a hole in the tank. Site Link

My experiences have also been positive over 3 new Nissans Brian.

Each problem has been solved , except for the tree I dropped on it a few weeks ago - must have been Nissans fault somehow.

I think we are still lucky that one manufacturer still makes a solid axles high articulation vehicle with high roll resisance and in my case a big lazy long life high torque petrol engine.

I've heard similar from quite afew, and it shows that Nissan looks after purchasers of new Nissans really well. But the 3L is a problem and they know it in my view.

You had me up until.

After the problems Toyota gave me over the years. ROTFL

Steve.

Yeah for a minute there you almost had me believing too...
Until THAT line Steve mentioned.
Hahahahaha............

"I think we are still lucky that one manufacturer still makes a solid axles high articulation vehicle with high roll resisance"
Yes Robin we are lucky that Jeep still make the Wrangler ;-)
Cheers Craig............

Now Craig its the 13/1/2009 not 1/4/2009

Thanks for your kind words Brian.

On the whole I try to contribute something useful.

Cheers,

Jim.

I will too, but only if it is a 4.2. That limits me to pre 2008


:-)

Willie, here is a copy of the most up to date list I have seen regarding ZD 30 Engine Failures.

Explore Oz Forum.

Daggs.
Blown_zd30-------------------------- 244K
Roly.
AJB------------------------------------196K
Pud & Barb--------------------------165K
Bulla. (daughters car)
Yakodi--------------------------------130K
Plugger.
JR -------------------------------------130K
Mike.
B & M. -------------------------------126K
Emackj--------------------------------157K
Fourstall2000-------------------------118K
Donald A-------------------------------50K 2004 STL
Old Johno---------------------------------------2000
Ron 2006-------------------------------152K
BushMark-----------------------------109K---2001
Ted--------------------------------------170K---2000
Piggy------------------------------------106K---2001
Rob------------------------------------------------2001
Trevmari-------------------------------141K---2000
Muckrunner-------------------------------------2000
Ppk--------------------------------------160K---2000
Rapid-------------------------------------60K---2004
BittenbyZD30-----------------------------------2000
Alex V------------------------------------84K---2001
Jo64-----------------------------------------------2000
Hen Pecked-----------------------------135K—2003
Mick O-----------------------------------
Sharyn--------------------------------------------2001
Void246----------------------------------150K--2000

Nissan Club members.

Graeme Wise. -----------------------72K
Ken Beard.
James Watson.


Outerlimits members

Manno74
Poo-trol-------------------------------66K
Wendle--------------------------------115K 2001
Rustys---------------------------------67K 2001
deanchristensen0001---------------31K 2005
Ergjan19------------------------------190K------2000
GUFun--------------------------------127K------2004



Patrol 4x4.com forum

Mickyd-------------------------------- 2002
Waveriders--------------------------- 98K 2002
Redeye---------------------------------190K
Link-------------------------------------82K 2000
Pat3L
LesleyPerry---------------------------83K 2001
Scratch---------------------------------89K 2002
Stephan--------------------------------150K
JimmyB--------------------------------
Phyrebug (brother’s car)----------210K
Dirty Wheels-------------------------246K-------2001
Phoenie--------------------------------145K-------2003
Ramas----------------------------------231K------2001
Bigal------------------------------------
Martyn79-----------------------------96K
Extreme1-----------------------------140K
Revs-------------------------------------------------2000
Jack180-------------------------------80K--------2005
Mick013------------------------------157K
jwmr----------------------------------130K-------2001
GUhoon------------------------------150K-------2000
Kirbs----------------------------------150K-------2000
Graham Slater------------------------27K-------2001
G Gudmundsson (Iceland)--------121K-------2002
Tourman
Jack3ld--------------------------------90K---------2002
Kleinstroops-------------------------104K
GUGreat (brother in law’s car)-180K--------2000
Aljohno-------------------------------140K--------2000
Hungry--------------------------------118K--------2001
Maddog1980-------------------------190K--------2000
PC1958--------------------------------190K--------2002
Fuzz------------------------------------190K--------2000
Tony Howe-----------------------------95K
Hodgo----------------------------------162K--------2000
Schommy-----------------------------160K--------2000
Websavages--------------------------
Stressed-------------------------------
Walters--------------------------------147K--------2000



MSN Caravanners Forum.

Ddarren11-----------------------------155K------2002
Ron Shirley-----------------------------------------2000


Yahoo Group. Patrol 4wd. & GU Patrol.

Jtbattau---------------------------------133K------2000
Nomad441946--------------------------------------2000
Paul Julian-----------------------------255K------2000
Paul Julian engine No 2--------------98K-------2003
Redeye141
Coight4wd------------------------------186K
Patrol444--------------------------------161K-----2001



Overlander 4wd Forum.

Dopey------------------------------------90-100K---
Weekend Maverick (parents car)—124K----2002
__________________
---

Ok my friend.

How about you add all those kilometres up and divide by the number of vehicles ( I don't have an fancy abacus like you have ) and then see what the average is

Its a numbers game. How many of those engines were out of their warranty period? Anecdotal info says that Nissan has come to the aid of some customers with ZD30 engines while others were out of warranty period and left in the lurch.

In the old days we used to blow an engine for whatever reason and we just fixed the bloody thing without having a great big whinge about it. Petrol engines went regularly at around 380,000km and diesels around 500,000km. OK, so some engines are not so flash and have engineering deficiencies. Every marque seems to have a nagging problem. These days cars cost a small fortune and a majority of them are bought on tick and so when things go pear-shaped the stress factors rise considerably.

The way I see it that when putting a 3 litre engine in a body that is supposed to house a 4.2 litre, Renault/Nissan made a fundamental error and those vehicles with a bad batch of pistons couldn't cut the mustard. A similar engineering problem exists with the fridge manufacturer Waeco, but at least they acknowledge their problem and do give reasonable customer service.

I would still like to know what the numbers are. How many dead ZD30's to how many sold.....1%...???????



Cheers

Ahhhhh ..... somebody else who understands .....

FollowupID: 611918 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 07:48
Willem posted:
The way I see it that when putting a 3 litre engine in a body that is supposed to house a 4.2 litre, Renault/Nissan made a fundamental error ........


And not just Renault / Nissan ..... Little motors straining their guts out constantly to propel a vehicle that a bigger motor would manage with ease and less long term costs are a joke .... brand regardless.

The thing is we will never know the true ratio. I'm guessing the ones we hear about on the net would be less than 1% of the failures. It;s probably as high as 20% but we will never know. Even if it's 1% thats bad odds imo.

Nissan did/have/do treat their customers poorly with this issue and that is why we have to unite and make them pay for their attitude on this. We have also had several Nissans and like you, the Pulsars/Vectors were brilliant but there will never be another Nissan purchase because of their attitude. The "legendary patrol" needs to be nursed along as it is "precious" and not what they were or should be. Since being told by Nissan HQ, after mine went bang, that the reported engine malfunctions were "heresay" and that I was on my own because "you bought the thing mate" I thought OK thats it, and since we have had 2 Toyotas, 1 Holden, and about 3 or 4 Fords and I still have the Nissan because I will not let anyone else go through the crap associated with Nissan ownership! They get changed over as they are work vehicles with the option of whatever we want. If Nissan are the last vehicle manufacturer left standing, and I doubt that will happen, I'll ride a horse and a skateboard.

Malcolm
the V8 FORD engine is absolutely no good at all for a swap...



it only has one battery :-))

Mainey . . .

Malcolm, you are on "the list" but Roachie's was from a while ago. Here's the latest update.
Oh, and that Falcon engine may only have one battery but I do spy a Vortech supercharger on there. I'll take the supercharger thanks.
Regards Andrew.

ZD 30 Engine Failures.

Explore Oz Forum.

Daggs.
Blown_zd30-------------------------- 244K
Roly.
AJB------------------------------------196K
Pud & Barb--------------------------165K
Bulla. (daughters car)
Yakodi--------------------------------130K
Plugger.
JR -------------------------------------130K
Mike.
B & M. -------------------------------126K
Emackj--------------------------------157K
Fourstall2000-------------------------118K
Donald A-------------------------------50K 2004 STL
Old Johno---------------------------------------2000
Ron 2006-------------------------------152K
BushMark-----------------------------109K---2001
Ted--------------------------------------170K---2000
Piggy------------------------------------106K---2001
Rob------------------------------------------------2001
Trevmari-------------------------------141K---2000
Muckrunner-------------------------------------2000
Ppk--------------------------------------160K---2000
Rapid-------------------------------------60K---2004
BittenbyZD30-----------------------------------2000
Alex V------------------------------------84K---2001
Jo64-----------------------------------------------2000
Hen Pecked-----------------------------135K—2003
Mick O-----------------------------------
Sharyn---------------------------------------------2001
Void246----------------------------------150K—2000
Drilly-------------------------------------165K---2000
On Patrol--------------------------------182K---2003
Christa-----------------------------------62K----2005 Navara
Captain Chaos--------------------------141K
Malcolm---------------------------------112K---2005
Jonesy65----------------------------------200K
Kevndeb (brother in law’s car)------190K
4wdr---------------------------------------
Carl R-------------------------------------

Nissan Club members.

Graeme Wise. -----------------------72K
Ken Beard.
James Watson.


Outerlimits members

Manno74
Poo-trol-------------------------------66K
Wendle--------------------------------115K 2001
Rustys---------------------------------67K 2001
deanchristensen0001---------------31K 2005
Ergjan19------------------------------190K------2000
GUFun--------------------------------127K------2004
Crazynut------------------------------100K------Dec2003



Patrol 4x4.comforum

Mickyd-------------------------------- 2002
Waveriders--------------------------- 98K 2002
Redeye---------------------------------190K
Link-------------------------------------82K 2000
Pat3L
LesleyPerry---------------------------83K 2001
Scratch---------------------------------89K 2002
Stephan--------------------------------150K
JimmyB--------------------------------
Phyrebug (brother’s car)----------210K
Dirty Wheels-------------------------246K-------2001
Phoenie--------------------------------145K-------2003
Ramas----------------------------------231K------2001
Bigal------------------------------------
Martyn79-----------------------------96K
Extreme1-----------------------------140K
Revs-------------------------------------------------2000
Mick013------------------------------157K
jwmr----------------------------------130K-------2001
GUhoon------------------------------150K-------2000
Kirbs----------------------------------150K-------2000
Graham Slater------------------------27K-------2001
G Gudmundsson (Iceland)--------121K-------2002
Tourman
Jack3ld--------------------------------90K---------2002
Kleinstroops-------------------------104K
GUGreat (brother in law’s car)-180K--------2000
Aljohno-------------------------------140K--------2000
Hungry--------------------------------118K--------2001
Maddog1980-------------------------190K--------2000
PC1958--------------------------------190K--------2002
Fuzz------------------------------------190K--------2000
Tony Howe-----------------------------95K
Hodgo----------------------------------162K--------2000
Schommy-----------------------------160K--------2000
Websavages--------------------------
Stressed-----------------------------------------------2001
Walters--------------------------------147K--------2000
Ttam------------------------------------146K-------2000
Pist’n broke---------------------------100K-------2004
Peterfraser3---------------------------120K-------2000
GU Mick-------------------------------150K-------2002
Gibbsy---------------------------------
Roger Brown-------------------------
Carljohn-------------------------------141K--------2000
4bboy-----------------------------------165K-------2002
Bent axle baz--------------------------166K
PGB-------------------------------------150K-------2003
Trev zd30------------------------------180K-------2001



MSN Caravanners Forum.

Ddarren11-----------------------------155K------2002
Ron Shirley-----------------------------------------2000


Yahoo Group. Patrol 4wd. & GU Patrol.

Jtbattau---------------------------------133K------2000
Nomad441946--------------------------------------2000
Paul Julian-----------------------------255K------2000
Paul Julian engine No 2--------------98K-------2003
Redeye141
Coight4wd------------------------------186K
Patrol444--------------------------------161K-----2001
little pn-----------------------------------190K----2000



Overlander 4wd Forum.

Dopey------------------------------------90-100K---
Weekend Maverick (parents car)—124K----2002

Yes I had seen it on that list. Also heard the list is now 250+.

Yesterday I mentioned this to local Nissan Service Manager and he attempted to debate against the number of engines produced. I think he admitted his loss when I said, "but these are only the ones REPORTED on our forums! - how many has Nissan had?".

I wonder if we can find an insider in Nissan that can find out these statistics ;-)

Andrew, not only a supercharger - It is Dick Johnson Racing - #9. hence rego DJR009. At least he has good taste in vehicles. Not like his old man ;-)

BTW, only needs one battery. If that goes flat we can jack up the back wheel and ..... just kidding.

Malcolm

make that 76 blown motors @an average of 137, 000kms

mine got the nissan rebulild with the 04 block at 145 000km

Some people on the forums don't post to many details about their engine problems which is why the Kms travelled and build date aren't on there, but it's still 113 engine blowups including yours Greg T.
Some people have notified me that they are quoted a couple of times as they cross post on different forums under different usernames. When I'm notified I remove one username from the list.
Whatever the "true" number is and I'm sure Nissan aren't about to let us know, to have over 40 members just on this one forum to have engine failures (this list only covers engine failures) is shameful.
Regards Andrew.

Hi Andrew,
I try to avoid these Nissan 3.0 litre debates like the plague. Having said that I do feel for the owners as I'd hate it to happen to me.

This sentence of yours, "to have over 40 members just on this one forum to have engine failures (this list only covers engine failures) is shameful." really sums it up for me!

That is statistically huge! I have no idea how many members there are on this forum! One thing we know for certain is they are spread over dozens of combinations of makes, models and engines so 3.0 litre Nissan owners are but a small statistical sample of membership! Yet a huge statistical sample of engine failures!

Statistically it would be fairly safe to extrapolate that data to the general population of 3.0 litre Nissans as we would see some doing less work, some more and some better maintained, some worse.

Any warranty solution less than 100% replacement is to me too little too late.

To say some people have had good support from Nissan warranty on this issue is a little bit like saying "I went into hospital for a vasectomy and the doctor cut my nuts out. But it's Ok, he apologised profusely!"

Geoff

Geez Geoff

Is that why I've now got a squeeky voice.

Seriously, we will never know the true number of ZD30 blowups.

I've learnt a lot (a real lot) on this forum and Patrol4x4 and alro about how to save the ZD30. My advice to everybody is to stop your whinging and get on with life. Lifes just too short to let these things drag you down. Now that doesn't mean to say I won't be talking with Mr Nissan about some form of compensation for my blownup engine at 112K. Just need to get all my costs and facts in order to start with. This may take me up to six months. Who knows.

As I go through rebuilding my engine I'm making the necessary mods: Ordered the VDO EGT and Boost from TJM with a two gauge pillar pod. They tell me the one Chaz got was a "one-off". Made a 'special' gasket for the EGR valve and am currently working on putting the 'T' piece in under the turbo for oil pressure. Screwed in my turbo screw one half turn. (I'll fine tune later).

I now have NisTune diagnostics software running on my ASUS EeePC which shows various functions of the ECU. Thanks to the boys in Adelaide it now works. Tested on my other (2003) Patrol.

I wasted a few $$$ looking at ELM327, interfaces and OBD software. Take it from me THEY DON'T WORK with the ZD30. All Nissan has done is supply an OBDII PLUG. That has absolutely nothing to do with being OBD compliant (which I have been told was a requirement for all new cars in Australia from 2006).

Malcolm

Just remember fellas. Ford made the EDSEL....oh what a flop!!...but Ford is still around.

Judging by the number of Nissans I see on TV especially with UN insignia, there must heaps of these 3lts on the road.

But like I have said before, every marque has a flop somewhere.
Add a Turbo to a flop engine and you have double trouble

Thank goodness for a naturally aspirated non turbo 4.2litre slug...the Nissan GQ...it should go forever....lol


Cheers

My thoughts as well. If this fault was with another product (eg. kids toys, or whatever) it would be on the current affairs programs and a recall issued.