Steep driveway, need 1 metre jockey wheel, help please

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Hi all, I have a very steep driveway that is almost flat at the top but not quite.
When I park my camper up my driveway and I unhook it from my car for storage I find it Impossible to actually get the camper level as my jockey wheel will not extend high enough.
I need to have around 950 to 1 mt total height.
I was thinking about a Trail A Mate but I think they dont go up that high and even if they did it would not be solid enough to support the trailer. Here's a pic of what I am describing.

I need help, your thoughts please.

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madmax800

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Reply By: aussiedingo - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:24

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:24
G'day, get a high lift jack for when you are home & handy when away, place the jack back toward the axle on the frame there, a lot stronger & safer than the jockey wheel! seee ya, dingo
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:38

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:38
when you say high lift jack, what exactly do you mean.
I also have to take into account the cenemt is not level, it slope down towards the road where the Jack/ jockey wheel goes
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Reply By: aussiedingo - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:49

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:49
G'day madmax, the high lift jack is the one you see strapped to real 4wd's, they have lotsa holes in the stem & some have a moveable foot as when in the bush you don't always get bogged on flat ground, go to a 4wd shop & have a look at them all, check the prices, then look on ebay, seee ya, dingo
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:32

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:32
Pardon my curiosity, but what is a "real 4wd'?
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:38

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:38
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Follow Up By: aussiedingo - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 23:50

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 23:50
G'day, I guess a good guide would be if you saw 3 identical models 4wd's on the top of big red at the same time. That counts a lot out. dingo
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Reply By: Old Dave - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:53

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:53
Hi Madmax800

Cant help with the height of jockey wheel but what brand & model is your camper

Thanks Dave
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:55

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:55
Hi Dave
Camper is a Getabout S2

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Reply By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:56

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 20:56
G/Day mate, Bit of a hairy scary set up there!


First off get rid of the bricks, to dangerous unless the load is directley square down on them, they crumble like egg shells otherwise. IMHO i would think about getting the outriggers made into a telescopic design so as you can take the weight right off the jockey wheel, .A steel fabrication shop could soon sort it out.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:00

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:00
HI Axle, Can you go into a little more detail on
"the outriggers made into a telescopic design"
Not even sure what they are.
I think they are the wind down jacks already on the camper but can you give more details of what you actually recomend
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:01

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:01
Also, the bricks under the wind down jacks are not really taking the weight of the camper as thats all on the jockey wheel. And yes, I still think that's scary as I would hate for anything to give way
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:11

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:11
Yes the wind down jacks need to be more adjustable, so you don't need the bricks , you need more adjustable lenght in them so as they take the majority of the weight.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:14

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:14
I would not have a clue who might be able to extend them or how, but that would help. Then I just need to work out what to use as a jockey wheel, maybe a Trail a Mate (if I can get a longer version)
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:47

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:47
Here is a very,very rough idea.
If you use 50mm into 40mm you will need to weld a bit of flat on the side of the 40mm to take out a bit of slop, the thickness will depend on the wall thickness of your 50mm.
Cut off the end of your jacks and weld something like this on and you can extend them when you get home.
As for the jockey wheel....why not concrete in a sleve into your driveway so you can slide a stand in and out as you need it?

Cheers

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Reply By: Ray - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:19

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:19
Hi Max. I see your predicament. Have you thought of making a tripod out of some steel pipe and hanging the draw bar with a chain block?
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Follow Up By: Ray - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:21

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:21
Of cause you would have to cut the tripod legs to length to guarantee a fully even tripod.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:31

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:31
I reckon Ray is onto something here. His idea may need to be expanded on to get the message across.

If I'm not Mistaken, Ray is suggesting you get a tripod made up that would sit over the drawbar with a hand winch etc.

I would go one step further and have 2 tripods...one on either side of the drawbar.....and then have a small boat-type hand winch mounted on a cross bar. You could have the concrete drilled/bored to accept the feet of the tripod/s, so you wouldn't have to fear them sliding down the hill. I guess, for that matter, you could get away with just using a single upright on either side (say about 1500mm across), each being located in a perpendicular hole in the concrete. The pipe frame would need to be about 75mm diameter and the height would need to be about 300mm higher than the level at which you want to have the trailer coupling (where it is in the photo.)
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:30

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:30
Bugger!
I think your best option is to use two car ramps, modifying them by adding a flat plate on the top @ the right angle so that the scissor feet can sit on them squarely & if possible either sit in a well in the top so they are held in via gravity or maybe a nut & bolt arrangement. The car ramps have a much larger base so that they will be far more stable than either a jockey wheel at full length or worse a high lift jack.



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Reply By: madmax800 - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:33

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 21:33
Thanks for the great replies so far. Some great ideas by all so please keep them coming. This has been an expensive exercise, that cement job cost $8,000 just so I had some place to store it
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Follow Up By: aka - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:11

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:11
It aint a cement job if it was it would blow away I would say it is CONCRETE
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:48

Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:48
Why is it necessary to keep the CT level?

Most applications for levelling out things can be achieved by using a one or two trolley jacks. The trolley jacks can support a piece of wood on which the CT legs rest. Trolley jacks can be secured by fitting removable steel pins to the concrete driveway. All up cost shouldn't be more than $100.


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Reply By: lancie49 - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 01:10

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 01:10
Could you spin the camper around and sit it 'across' the driveway rather than in its present position ?

Lance
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Reply By: Member - John - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:27

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:27
From the pic, it seems that i can be located further back, surely that would solve the problem?
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:29

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:29
spell check doesn't pick up words that aren't in the post, lol.

"it seems that i can be located further back" should have read, "it seems that it can be located further back"
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Reply By: Heefers - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:18

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:18
That's the first camper I've ever seen with its own veranda. Looks like a nice piece of kit.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:28

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:28
I'd sell the house and buy one with a flat driveway:-))

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Reply By: Louie the fly (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 14:46

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 14:46
is there any reason why you cant push it further up the driveway and then turn it 90 degrees so the drawbar sticks out over the garden (opposite the pavers)?

Otherwise, get a folding stand made that flips up and locks with a pin and padlock. Then you can support the CT on a towball fixed to the stand. Put another lock in the coupling and you also have anti-theft device built in.

Just a couple of thoughts. At work, when we design machines and other engineered solutions we always start with "why reinvent the wheel? The one we have works fine".

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Follow Up By: Louie the fly (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 15:35

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 15:35
madmax800, I was thinking of something kind of like this.

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Course, this is drawn to be attached to a horizontal surface (flat level driveway), but it could be made to mount and work on any angle with a slight design mod. Then it can be attached to the concrete with chemical anchors. Get it powdercoated and Bobs your uncle. Or if you're "really loaded", get it made out of stainless steel and it'll never rust.
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Reply By: coley - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 22:16

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 22:16
Hi

wind down legs are not made to take too much weight ,

weld a new jockey wheel clamp on the other side , buy a jockey with flat bottom ,then buy some
pipe the same size as jockey wheel ,cut flat part off , weld in the pipe , this will extend the jockey

hope this helps !
cheers coley
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Reply By: madmax800 - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 22:39

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 22:39
You guys rock, some great ideas.
I am unable to push the camper further back as if you look the left side Tyre hits a rock.

I will do a few more pics when I get the chance (away 4 work).

I really like the idea of the pop up angular thingy with the tow ball.

Louie the fly, , any ideas who I could see to make somethiong like this.

any way all.

I really appreciate your ideas, keep em coming, I cant wait to get home later in the week to see the results from you all
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Follow Up By: Louie the fly (SA) - Monday, Oct 20, 2008 at 17:18

Monday, Oct 20, 2008 at 17:18
Not sure where you live but if you are in SA we can make it for you. If you are in another state, any engineering / fabrication shop can knock it up for you. If you have a Treg type coupling it's just a minor re-design. You will need to measure the angle of the driveway so the upright stands up vertically.

I'd be using three 16mm chemical anchors on each side due to the angle it is on. You drill right through the concrete, and basically, glue the threaded rods in. Then if you ever want to get rid of it you just knock the rods into the earth and grout the holes with some cement. POP!

Let me know if you want any more info with it. Happy to do some drawings for you.

Louie
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Follow Up By: G.T. - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:13

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:13
Remove rock? Hire a electric Kanga type jack hammer or similar.
just a thought. Regards G.T.
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Follow Up By: G.T. - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:16

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:16
Remove rock? Hire a kanga type electric jack hammer. Just a thought. Regards G.T.
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Follow Up By: madmax800 - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:48

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:48
Hi Louie the fly (SA).
I live in Aberfoyle Park. Where abouts are you. Can you email me so we can talk about your idea please
madmax800@kern.com.au

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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:34

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:34
Turn the camper trailer around, facing it the other way??

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