rounded diff filler plug

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:42
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hi all,
just want to change my diff oils in my cruiser ute.
the filler plug has just been rounded off.
tried freeze and release spray, bolt off, 1/2in sockets, breaker bars, rattle gun. bolt still wont budge.
how am i going to get this bolt out?

thanks, brian
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:48

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:48
Cold chisel
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Follow Up By: Member - BUNDY BOY (WA) - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:39

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:39
Brian.... if u have the time and a freind with a oxy............put some heat into it and try again ........now that u have to change the oil anyway ......weld that diff center protector on u know the one you always wanted to put on..........too birds with one stone
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Reply By: Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:48

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:48
Brian

Get a hammer bigger than a claw hammer, hit the plug square on 3 or 4 times hard don't play with it, try the socket again with and extension handle, if that doesn't work hit it again and use a large chisel.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:06

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:06
Couple of other alternatives:
You might be using a 12 pointer socket - these only make contact with the edges of the 6 flats. If so try a six pointer socket to increase the contact on the flats.
Steves hammer blows are good. If these fail, if brave enough, try tightening it very slightly - chances are it has better shoulders on the tightening side of the flats. This may shift it and allow better chance of removal.

Best of luck
Chris
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Follow Up By: Brian, Mackay Qld - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:32

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:32
tried using a 12 pointer socket first up which i think stuffed the bolt. then went to a 6 point socket on a rattle gun in forward and reverse, still didnt budge, now the 6point socket slips aswell.
it is and awkward angle to try and use a cold chisel and decent hammer.
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Reply By: howesy - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:52

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:52
if you have decent flat jawed vice grips I used to lock them on so tight I could barely lock them with 2 hands and the teeth used to embed themself deep then I used to crack it with a good square hammer blow to the back spine. Worked for me several times over the years.
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Follow Up By: Brian, Mackay Qld - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:43

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:43
i tried that, keeps slipping off because the head is the thickness of a 50cent coin.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 08:30

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 08:30
I have worked with people with heads like that
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Reply By: Jimbo (WA) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:54

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:54
Get something called an "easy out" (I think!). They come in different sizes and basically consist of two items - a drill bit, and a reverse threaded, tapered shank with a hex head on the end.

Drill a hole in the centre of your plug, making sure you miss the threads, and then put the tapered thread in, attach a socket and undo.

This is how I got mine out a while ago.

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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:09

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:09
easy-out
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Follow Up By: Rossco td105 - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:17

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:17
Hey guys,

Just thought I might add a warning here, if the easy out snaps in the bolt (will happen with a cheap easy out!) it will make removal even harder. These things are made of hardened steel and don't like to be drilled...

I have used easy outs many times on snapped turbo manifold studs on a petrol turbo toy of mine (bolts get REAL hot and shear rather than undo) with great success, just be careful...

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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:24

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:24
Agree, anything subjected to the heat cycles of an exh manifold stud is a very dicey proposition
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Follow Up By: nsngood - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:27

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:27
If you are going to use easy outs (cheesy outs) please make sure you use the paralell ones in preference to the tapered ones and buy good/best quality you can find.If you cant afford the best quality then IMO dont waste your time,take it to someone with the good tools. I think in this situation the welding option is the best way to go without a doubt.(unless its brass which i dont think toyotas are????)
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Reply By: samsgoneagain - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:02

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:02
cut the head off a large bolt and weld it on to the plug. the weld will shrink the plug as well as attaching a new place to grab with a tool
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Follow Up By: Dunedigger - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:13

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:13
Just heating up the plug will make a difference anyway. Try heat first, the oil will actually keep it cool so there is not much chance of the oil catching fire


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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:54

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:54
That's what I would try.

Heat it up gently with a gas torch or oxy set.

Does the plug protrude a bit?
If it does, after heating, use a stilson wrench to gain a purchase on the "rounded" plug head.

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Follow Up By: Dunedigger - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:13

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:13
Use a Stilson Wrench and then slip on 1000 mm of pipe to really get some power into it Job Dune. Perhaps you should buy a new plug perhaps ?

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Follow Up By: Brian, Mackay Qld - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:45

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:45
stilson wrench slips of since he thickness of the head is like a 50cent coin, oil is already drained out, probably weld a big nut onto it tomorrow.
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Follow Up By: howesy - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14
Saw someone do similar once, if you have acces to a mig this guy just got a piece of flat bar and drilled 2 small holes then placing over the plug turned the mig up and filled both holes then crcked it with a hammer after it cooled. Will never know if it was the heat or the idea but it worked.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:02

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:02
G'day Brian,
samsgoneagain is on the money IMO, 'cept that I would leave 20 - 30mm of shank on said bolt, and weld that to the plug..

2 reasons.. You will get a better weld 'round the bolt shank,
AND, you will be able to fit the correct sized socket _all the way_ over the bolt head, and out she'll come....
If you just weld a nut on there, there's a good chance the weld will prevent the socket from seating fully, and you'll be back where you started;-))

Your current predicament is a perfect example of why all of us should _always_ loosen the filler plug before removing the drain plug.... that way, the vehicle is not incapacitated while ya work out how to remove said filler plug...
Let this be a lesson to ya!! ;-)))




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Reply By: Ozboc - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:39

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:39
All excellent ideas above , how did you go - did you get it off ???

you wont need easy outs unless you drill the bolt - which i think is 8.8 tensile so you will have some probs OR is the sump bolt brass ???? if its brass a few good hits should shock it into freeing up as they self tighten over time

grinding the head off should hopefully remove any torque against the thread but make sure you have drilled it first so that you can get an easy out on the thread - considering that its in an oily environment it should not be locked/ seized- and if you try to drill after you may just turn the threaded remains into your sump ....

12 point socket is the go - if its to rounded for that -- and its a metric socket head then try use a smaller Imperial size and bash it on

if none of these have worked , then find the clown that done the last oil change and B*%ch slap them - or if it was you , give yourself an uppercut , Its a sump bolt not a head bolt off the QE2. and 150 pounds of torque is not needed

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14
In his original post it says its a diff filler plug and a 12 point socket will round it off faster than anything whereas a 6 point wont as it grips deeper on each flat
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:49

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:49
yes but not a 24mm 6 sider make sure its an imperial 15/16ths
never use a 24mm you will have no show
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:21

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:21
As dave said use a 15/16th socket, and grind the round lip flat.

Try harder to get in there and hit the bloody thing.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 20:45

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 20:45
Sorry , your right - i had miss read the post - got the flue something shocking so not really concentrating


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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:52

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:52
hmm I see youve already drained the oil out!
obviosly you havnt changed the oil in Toyota diffs much
always make sure you can undo the filler before the drain
I did when I bought my 80 and ended up driving it round to the mechanic n paying an hours labour - could not do it myself
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Reply By: harlequin - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:22

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:22
did same on me 60 jacked it up high enough to get under (high) blocks jacks stands make damn sure it stable then heated the nut with oxxy lat cool naturally then heated diff housing around the nut hot while squirting small stream water onto nut head with pipette bottle while still hot belted it with hammer and chisel near cut one third of head off before it gave way got good swing with raised rear would give the weldit idea a go ps put hte old nuts back in front and rear with teflon nipped up snug and still ok today been like it for 2 years good luck
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Reply By: troopyman - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:44

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:44
Buy a super wrench from supercheap . They are cheap but the only thing i have found to work on my rounded sump plugs . Similar to the one in the link .

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Follow Up By: troopyman - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:51

Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:51
sorry should have said diff plugs .
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 01:12

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 01:12
I good quality pair of vise grips, grab it as tight as you can and hit the handle with your palm... HARD!! Michael..
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:46

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:46
Hi Brian,

This may be a little late but I nearly always weld a washer on to the bolt and then another washer and then another washer again. You can keep doing this and all it will do is get plenty of heat directly into the bolt, bolt will expand.

Let it cool and then try to undo it with vice grips, stillson or whatever you have in that line.

If it shears off just go through the process again, and again if needed.

I have used this method time and time again and always to great advantage.

Got the idea from a Lincoln Arc Welders book written in the 1930s and have found that advice invaluable.

Used it on my tractor when the stud was a 1/4 inch below the surface of a housing. Took 2 goes but it came out cleanly and left the thread surfaces bright and clean. Pulled out a bolt this way from my dozer.
Thebolt had been locked in there for about 30 years I would say by the way someones boots had rounded off the head. Give it a go.
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Reply By: howesy - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 16:33

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 16:33
get a dremel and cut a slot into it and then use an impact driver.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:16

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:16
Brian,

I'd go with the welding idea. We've been doing this for many years, mainly because some of the staff don't know what "tight" is!

Use a mild steel 1/2" Whitworth nut, it will be slightly smaller than the filler plug, allowing a reasonable fillet on all 6 sides..

You can then re-use the plug, or keep for a spare. The use of Loctite 567 thread sealer will allow you to replace the filler plug, without needing to over-tighten it.

Notice some of the later model plugs have a deeper nut section on them, meaning you can get a 15/16" AF socket on much easier, with less rrisk of rounding the nut.

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Reply By: kiwicol - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:27

Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:27
hi brian, so how do you get the oil out without removing the nut. Col
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Follow Up By: Brian, Mackay Qld - Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 20:37

Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 20:37
undoing the drain plug. its the filler plug i cant get off.
ended up just pumping the oil in the drain hole with an outboard fuel primer bulb. very slow endurance process.
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