Kudos - Track Care WA/Georgia Bore

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 19:24
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This is a genuine note of thanks to those involved with Track Care WA for the work involved in the Georgia Bore repairs and toilet construction. Great effort.

On the flip side, why not stick to this good work rather than pretending to be a legislative authority and erecting signs with long lists of "rules" with no legal standing?
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Reply By: aimee - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 23:29

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 23:29
Not to sure what you mean about the signs ?????????
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 08:43

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 08:43
Big TCWA billboards of "rules".
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Reply By: aimee - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:10

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:10
Could you please clarify "rules and erecting signs" on the Georgia Bore Project??? Where were these signs of "rules" at Georgia Bore, I didn't see any?? Also the Georgia Bore was done by VOLUNTEERS which used their own money to buy and erect this toilet for all people (including tour operators) so how about a donation of money instead of criticism???
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:18

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:18
Crikey - settle down. The two things are quite geographically separate. I was thanking them for the work at Georgia Bore which I assumed was done by willing volunteers and which is good work - if you were out there on the project, thank you. There was a sign put up there, but just a bit of history and information about who put in the hard work.

Sorry that I can't in good conscience donate money to TCWA. I'd be worried it may be used to erect more signs or make more rules.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 14:53

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 14:53
Was this sign under a shelter, and did the sign include a large Hema Map? I'm not sure if this is new, or been there some time as last time on the track for me was 2003.

As some of you may know, I was a member of the CSR signage subcommitte a few years ago during my time as Secretary of TCWA. At the time, the native title issue wasn't clear and TrackCare had an MOU with CALM making them the general custodian of the CSR. There was quite a bit of controversy over "who" exactly had the responsibillity for the land - being a long track, some of it was crown land, some native title had already been granted and much was under native title review, and then there was a historic issue of protection governing what can and can't be done. At the time there had been a few travel disaters due to lack of preparation and communication. TrackCare was concerned that these issues could lead to bureacratic decisions to close or restrict access on the CSR and so felt a duty of care to minimise the chance of future disasters. A project to create some form of signage to warn people of the long distance without fuel and the unreliability of fresh drinking water at the wells and to put together some Code of Conduct rules was established to abate the risk of impromptu travellers taking a look up the CSR without knowing the risks. The project was well supported at the time, and Hema coughed up the resources to do the artwork and signage. The shelters were made to order based on CALM plans and if I remember correctly built by "prison" workers at no cost to TCWA. Volunteers collected the flat packs and errected them on the track.

I am no longer on the committe of Track Care, nor am I even a Member. I think they genuinely have good intentions but its a very small group of "doers" and hence quite a struggle if you are involved.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 17:26

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 17:26
Thanks Dave. No - I don't even recall a sign under a shelter or one with a map, although perhaps there is one near Wiluna - not actually where the track starts. There may be one at one of the many entries to Billi or even Halls Creek.

Thanks for your post with a bit of history there. It is just so indicative of the whole issue and the spineless approach to management of the CSR by the WA Gov. Thankfully they at least have seen some value with the Centenerary idea, (presumably giving it some longevity) yet they seem to have failed to have delivered anything meaningful.

The signage entertainment reads like this:
* big yellow sign at the Southern entry "This road is recommended for 4WD vehicles only" - right! Then a complete falsehood - "there is no water, fuel or services between Wiluna and Halls Creek". There is a couple of faded texta additions "UHF40".
* A TCWA sign headed "Canning Stock Route to Well 3" saying too much to mention, including "This track is not maintained" - is any of the CSR? And "This track traverses Cunya Station property" - well yes, but it is an established common law road, and presumably within the CSR corridor. "No trailers or wide track vehicles. Creek crossings have severe entry/exit points" - well, actually the creek crossings are no worse than elsewhere, and if this is the CSR why should there be any restriction and who gives it any validity?
* very obtrusive and delapidated government signs from 1988(?) on many of the Northern Wells
* DPI and DIA sign at the Calvert Range turnoff saying "Warning. You are leaving the Canning Stock Route... without prior permission entry to this land is strictly prohibited". Now as much as I respect the Martu and engage with them when entering their land, the road out to Calvert Range is well established and has been in use for many years so travelling it is probably not strictly prohibited. The majority of sites on the DIA register for the area are Open sites. By contrast Wells 17, 23, 25 to 27, 29 to 37, Durba Spring, Onegunya rockhole, Biella Spring, Durba Hills, Cairn Gorge, Diebil Spring and Lack Disappointment are Closed Sites yet there is no signage there at all - in fact you could say that the delapidated government signs there are encouraging people to go to these sites. Truth be known you are not allowed to take a photo at those wells without the explicit permission of the DIA Registrar and the traditional owners! Yeah, right! How many people are breaking the law everyday? The law is an ass.
* the Classic ugly big blue "You are now entering the Shire of Halls Creek, Home of the Bungles" bungle
* A Welcome to Paruku IPA sign as you approach Billi saying you are "Now entering land owned and managed by the Walmajurri people" and "Camping permits available at Billi and Mulan". Well this might all be true, but camping within the corridor and along public roads is quite legal without a permit, so the sign can be a bit misleading.

A dog's breakfast for an iconic piece of WA History!
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 18:53

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 18:53
Hey - Michelle wrote the above post, not David :-) No offence taken however.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 19:12

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 19:12
LOL - I take it Michelle is the better looking one.

Sorry Michelle.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Friday, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:07

Friday, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:07
HI Andrew,
Sorry I haven't given you the reply you probably deserve for such an informative post. I think your comment "they seem to have failed to have delivered anything meaningful." is spot on with the whole thing. I must restrain from getting too emotionally involved - I just upset myself. But I love the CSR - to me is is the single most sensational region in the whole of Australia (wooah, that'll upset someone for sure!, but hey that's my opinion). I hope the red tape/rules and permits doesn't stuff it up for future travellers (myself included) is all.
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