Monday, May 19, 2008 at 20:27
Hi Landy,
Thanks for the Link to the Emerson Report - very interesting reading. I agree with some of her points but not all. below are a few comments:
While the Emerson report is interesting and contains some useful information there would also be some areas where her
views would differ from other Oil Analysts.
In her report Sarah Emerson says (quote):
“In response to these oil market realities, a pure market economist might contend that high oil
prices will spur conservation and temper demand growth while encouraging investment in crude oil production. The result will be more supply and less demand and oil prices will fall signaling the end of the current cycle”.
The fact is demand for oil is extremely inelastic which means the price mechanism is a very blunt instrument to temper demand. There are plenty of oil experts around who say it simply won’t happen (at least not to the required amount). For example
Here is a quote from Energy and Capital Analyst Chris Nelder in April 2008:
“I have written at length about why oil prices keep going higher. Some of it has to do with the usual factors cited in the press: speculation, geopolitical unrest, OPEC announcements, inventory levels, and so on.
But the most important reason usually goes unsaid: peak oil.
Even the IMF has obliquely admitted there is a problem. Recently, deputy director
John Lipsky said, "While oil demand has remained robust, the supply side response to rising prices has been disappointing."
And that's the bottom line right there.
You know the old saw: when you point the finger at somebody else, there are three pointing back at you.
While oil production has levelled off, demand has not, and the reduced demand from the OECD is being more than offset by the red-hot economies of the developing world.
For the first time this year, the combined oil consumption of China, India, Russia and the Middle East will exceed that of the U.S.. Even with all our efforts to curb domestic demand, worldwide oil demand will increase about 2 percent this year, according to the IEA.
Until global demand cools off, there's no way out of the oil price trap.
And however we choose to characterize the reasons, oil supply isn't increasing anymore. The tap is wide open.
As Scotty used to say on Star Trek, "She can't take anymore cap'n! I'm givin' ‘er all she's got!"
The world is now perched precariously on the plateau at the top of the global peak in oil production. And it's not a long plateau. We've been on it for about three years, and I'm giving it another two years, tops. After that, we head on down the other side of Hubbert's Peak.
And I am increasingly doubtful that the world will be able to reduce its demand in time to prepare for the second half of the Age of Oil”.
Also Emerson claims that eventually oil prices will moderate (whatever that means) and claims alternatives will boost supply (oil sands, shale oil, bio fuels etc etc). Undoubtedly they will but will they do so in sufficient quantities to offset ultimate falling production from the OPEC countries? The use of shale oil and oil sands to produce crude oil has a high environmental cost – eg to produce 1 barrel of oil from oil sands takes 4.5 barrels of clean water plus enormous amounts of energy. Compare that with pumping out of the ground. Look what happened to the hundreds of millions of dollars invested in the Rundle Shale Oil project at
Gladstone in Queensland. Receivers can only get scrap value for it now.
Anyway I guess time will tell – but it appears there is convincing evidence that while oil prices will be volatile they will continue to rise not decline as Emerson contends.
Cheers,
Glen
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 10:50
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 10:50
Hi Glen
It was an interesting read, and like you I don’t entirely share her sentiments. I note your point on prices not being elastic and certainly that is the case; the issue is that it will always take a reasonable amount of lead time for new supply to come on, and besides OPEC could pump more if they chose to. Increasing speculation over the past few years on the price direction also distorts pricing.
Alternatives will not replace our need for oil and whilst the current high price has enabled some ‘old technology’ to be rolled out the cost of production and carbon foot print just does not make them viable as a replacement source, besides it could never be produced in the quantities required. All that will happen with alternatives is that they will meet some local supply constraints, never make a great impact on overall demand/supply and will be priced in line with the prevailing oil price. They won’t be priced to match the cost of production.
I don’t think that peak oil is too close at present otherwise oil prices would be substantially higher, many times more. However it is always at the back of mind that at some time in the future oil will potentially become scarce. I do think that at some point we will see far greater government regulation (globally) of finite oil resources as issues of national security become more pronounced and to the fore.
Of greater interest to contributors here is the fact that diesel is in limited global supply at present and hence the premium over ULP. This is an interesting development as we head into the Northern Hemisphere driving season as at this time of year ULP typically becomes more expensive than the mid-distillates. In fact, year diesel may keep it premium to ULP.
Diesel prices have reached record highs in the
United States this week. This will no doubt be encouraging refineries to switch focus over the next few years from ULP production to increasing diesel production, but that will take time.
I think that mainstream Australia will be paying $2.00 plus for diesel at some point and possibly it will be sooner rather than later.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Friday, May 23, 2008 at 14:58
Friday, May 23, 2008 at 14:58
Hi Glen
What is your email address; I'll send you an interesting chart that plots the wheat price against the oil price on a 60 day lagging basis...
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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Friday, May 23, 2008 at 18:11
Friday, May 23, 2008 at 18:11
OK Thanks
Send to:
havilahheights@aapt.net.au
Cheers,
Glen
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