Rear Diff Lock/Front Diff Lock...????

fozzy
Should'nt be knockin' trees over .

Big difference though between a 1x4, 2x4, 3x4, and 4x4.
Now try and get your brain to work that one out.....lol

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Lucky he didn't Pick his nose with that finger then eh

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LSDs are useless, that word Limited is there, besides the post about Diff Locks, LSD's are not in the race. Get bogged with an LSD and you still have one wheel spinning, the one less traction.

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Doug T

I have always engaged the front hubs on the various Cruisers that I have owned over the years for short periods when I havent been 4WDriving for a while just to keep the oil and grease circulating. I have an air locker in the rear axle and have been thinking about an auto locker in the front. I wonder what kind of steering chacteristics may happen on bitumen with an auto locker doing its thing with the hubs locked in 2WD? Any thoughts?

Cheers Pop

Pop
Good idea to run a few Ks to stir up the oil and lubricate seals etc.
You will notice a slight difference while the hubs are locked, after about 6 Ks you forget about it, this is Auto's I'm refering to, I won't have a bar of air operated,of coures the air owners will disagree no doubt, as for steering off road in 4x4 No problems, very slippery mud ( oozy black soil ) can be a challenge though but wouldn't be as bad as air's.

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Pop
Just set you straight on what I use in what , Detroit No-Spin Auto Lockers both diffs in a 94 Troopy,

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Doug

Agree 100% on LSDs, IMHO bloody useless. While I am thinking the auto lockers up front may be the way to go I think we will have to agree to disagree on air lockers in back. Many, many years ago I worked for the mob in Perth that were the agents for Detroit No Spins long before 4WDriving became as popular as it is now and the accessory shops took over. We used to fit them to all manner of mainly government vehicles from Cruiser size to trucks of 6-8 tonnes. They worked a treat in either application except in the smaller vehicles autolockers produced some unexpected steering characteristics on wet roads. Having said that the new "Softlockers" may not do this, I havent been involved with them for a long time. Thats why I,m on this fishing trip LOL

Cheers Pop

Toyota LSD's may be useless.

Hi Brew, I can't comment on Toyota LSD's only what I've heard and that seems to support your statement.
I have a Mitsi and the LSD is brilliant, of course not as good as a locker but 80% better than open diff.

Doug, I thought the post was about which end to put a locker if you had to fit one or other. I put a reply that was for all makes, and a Mitsibishi LSD is at least 80% better than an open diff.

If I ever do get spin with my LSD, one click of the handbrake and the back end locks up again

If you want members to add to your comments allow them to have their opinion. If you went to the Outback Challenge and asked them what the competitors thought of Auto Lockers, they will tell you they are about as good as a GOOD QUALITY LSD, because non of the top end competitors use them, they all use (positive) air lockers ???

Blaze
I put this post up just as a guide to help some decide what end to install a single locker based on my own experience,
The post is about Diff locks , not LSD's, but as you you raised the subject and stated an Auto Locker ( Detroit in this case ) is about as good as an LSD , anyone who has and used lockers would have to laugh at that totally silly statement, I know your only going by what you heard but you posted it here, I've used my 2 in all types of terrain except Rock crawling and that's for specialised vehicles as far as I'm concerned,It only stands to reason that 4 driving wheels will perform better, will be easier on the vehicle when negotiating sand dunes, I am fully aware there is a limit to everything, some have the impression that with diff locks the 4x4 will go anywhere, not true, but they still try , I see them here , I see them there,
As for members adding their comments and opinions , No problems but the original post stated this was only a guide to perspective buyers wondering where to install one locker, not a debate on brands and LSD's , If you want to have a post about LSD's then start one, and I can assure you I would not start up about Diff locks in it.

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Doug .you are the one who stated LSD's are useless. Don't get upset when people react to that statement.

Brew69
Yes of course I said their useless, useless in mud, and useless in the deserts, and I'm not getting upset, seems to be the opposite from people who have no idea about the effectiveness of lockers over useless LSD's that should be left to 1wd sedans in the big city streets.
besides it was not I who mentioned useless LSD's in the first place as I have already stated ,
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Dam funny then that LSD diffs were such a bonus when first fitted to open rear diff models. When these first came out it was a great selling point especially to owners of boats that had to pull them out the drink.

By your comments I guess you think all the manufacturers are wasting their time fitting LSD's.

I recall a couple of years ago climbing out Mitchell Track in the High Country. Des Lexic, John R (Moses) a mate in a Bravo and myself. About 1/3 the way up this incline there is a hairpin turn, Johns Nissan, the Mazda and my Mitsi both chewed their inner rear wheel as we made the corner, Des who has a 100 said his didn't even spin, (Toyota problem by whats been printed) but this isnt my point, if LSD's were of no use, why did they not slip and grabbed traction rounding the corner?

This post all started with you saying front Locker was the best choice, nearly everyone egreed with you including me, but you still found the need to put the comments of others down... must be a bad hair day I guess....

gmd
Your stupid unintelligent reply deserves about as much as I've wasted my time already.

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You started it Doug by making uninformed comments about lockers and lsd's. They make about as much sense as your comment in a previous post about spring mounts on a uhf aerial effecting transmissions !

why don't you keep driving your little rust ulcer with the yellow light and leave the thinking to the people with brains ... roflmao

have fun
gmd

The best and most informative reply of the lot Shane, well said.

Cheers
Pezza

Oh, and as for your little problem in your original post, you will find that as one front wheel was staionary it would have been acting more as an 'anchor', and the spinning wheel would have hardly been in contact with the ground, hence why it was spinning, it would have been the rear locker that 'pushed' you around, not the front pulling.

Pezza

Go and suck yourself , when I want you to bark I'll wave a bone in your face,

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