70 series landcruiser
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:05
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Bill n Di
Does anyone have one? If so what are their drawbacks - Bill is looking at one - needs to be able to pull a 21' van and carry a boat on top.
We have a GU Patrol at present (which I'm happy with) but Bill thinks the 70 series would be more economical.
Does it have airconditioning, power windows, any of the normal every day stuff that you expect nowdays - as to me it looks a bit rugged. What about things like airbags, stereos, bull bars etc do any come with it - does the
suspension have to be upgraded (as we did with the GU)
So pros and cons of changing the GU to a 70 series please??
Would appreciate advice!
Di
Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:42
Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:42
Di, I can't comment directly on the new 70 Series as I don't have one. But I'm currently researching vehicle options for a replacement for my Hilux to get better load carrying and towing capability.
Like you, I carry a boat and lots of 'stuff'. My interpretation of specs from the Toyota web site gives the following payloads (remember this includes the weight of people in the vehicle, all accessories you fit and the actual load. I also count the ball weight from the CT or caravan as part of the payload):
200 Series Wagon approx 600 KG
70 Series Wagon approx 800 KG
70 Series Troopie approx 1,000 KG
70 Series Cab Chassis approx 1,300 KG
The first two are pretty useless in my fiew for somone setting up for long term touring with a boat on top. In my case, only the cab chassis will do the job.
Worth considering as most of us add up to 200 KG or so in accessories (bullbar, side steps, extra batteries, roof racks etc). Add 180 KG or so for a couple of people 120 KG for boat and boating stuff (without motor), and you are already up to 500 KG, without fridge, food, clothes, camping gear.
I suspect at least 80% of wagons used for touring are way overlaoded. If you are investing in a new vehicle, it it worth getting one designed for the job you plan.
Good luck with the research and decision.
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Reply By: Geepeem - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:55
Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:55
HI Di,
As far as I can determine the big negative with the 70 series is that they don't have air bags. This is a pretty important safety feature to me and one that would probably deter me from buying one until Toyota make them available.
Also the turbo diesel enhine in the 70 series is NOT identical to the turbo diesel in the 200 series wagon. In the 70 series the engine produces 151 kw (@ 3400rpm) and 430 Nm torque (@1200-3200rpm). Economy is 11.5 l /100km (both cycles).
The engine in the 200 series produces 195kn @34oo rpm) and 650 Nm torque (@1600-2600n rpm). Economy is 10.3l/100km (both cycles0).
So the 70 series engine has less power, less torque, and uses more fuel than the 200 series engine.
BUT the big advantage of the 70 series is its load carrying capacity which you need for series trekking (between 580 - 670 kg in wgaon depending on specifications but up to 1255kg in Cab/chassis).
So what to do? A personal decision but in my situation I have decided to wait until the next upgrade comes out - probably only 12 months away to see if Toyota rectifies any of the above issues for me. Also with first upgarde of a new model you tend to good more features thrown in for the same price.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Glen
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:56
Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:56
Glen, my understanding is that the engine in the 70 Series is the same as the 200 Series, but the 200 Series has twin turbos.
I doubt that Toyota will standardise the engines. They have always run a lower power / torque engine in the commercial models (cab chassis and Troopy). Previous model had intercooler on the wagon and none one the commercial models for example.
But they might 'tweek' the engine a bit in the next model. This brute must be capable of producing more than 151 KW. The biggest changes I'd expect in the updated model are air bags, creature comforts, new dash layout and fixing the wheel span difference between front and back. Just my opinion - certainly not based on any special knowledge.
Norm C
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