Winch to pull caravan
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:23
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Graham and Diane
Hi,
I need to buy a winch to pull my caravan up my driveway. The caravan weighs about 1750 loaded, the driveway is quite steep, maybe 25 degrees. The winch also needs to be able to lower the caravan down the driveway.
Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks
Reply By: Tony - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:29
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:29
I reckon any of the Low Mount
winches of around 3000kg, running off a 12 volt battery would do the job.
Make up a frame to bolt the winch into and anchor it to terra firma, hook up to battery and away you go.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:38
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:38
I've got a small 2000lb winch I've rigged up for lifting my 35" spare tyres on/off the back of the Patrol. I know they make a 3000lb version too, but I'm not so sure I'd like to trust one of these "cheapies" to the task mentioned. The cable on
mine is quite thin (not no much thicker than clothes line cable).
If it was my set-up, I think I'd be going a bit heavier winch capacity, maybe a 6000lb. It wouldn't have to be a Warn etc and the beauty of this situation is that it won't be exposed to the weather, so you can keep it in excellent condtion.
ebay winch 6000lb
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Follow Up By: Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:41
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:41
Roachie,
Tony did say 3000kg and not lbs ;))
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:05
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:05
Strewth, You're right Kev........ must remember to wear my glasses when using puter!!! hahaha
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:14
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:14
Thanks, do you know if all
winches (like the one you pointed to on ebay) also run in reverse so it can be used to lower the caravan down the driveway?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:33
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:33
Yes, all
winches run both forward and reverse..... (at least all the ones I've ever seen).
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: Mogul - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:58
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 14:58
Would it be easier to fit tow bar tongue to front of vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:12
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:12
My problem is that because my driveway is steep, when the caravan enters the garage at too much angle it would hit the roof of the garage. I currently have a Jayco Flamingo and reverse that into the garage but that just makes it before it levels out. We are in the process of upgrading to a Windsor Rapid which is why I am working on a way to still get it into the garage. I plan to winch it up draw bar first which allows the caravan to level out before going in to the garage.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:28
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 22:28
Graham, I curious as to how you are going to get the van back out of the garage when the time comes? Will you have somebody there to help you?
The way I see it, you will need 1 or 2 people to push the van out of the garage, with the winch being operated by a 3rd person, ready to take the weight of the van once it gets onto the slopey section....is this how you see it working?
Also, further down in this post, you mention that you only have a single driveway leading up to a double garage. How will you be able to get the front of the van into position at the base of the driveway in the first place?....or I guess you have to drive the rig into the driveway, uncouple and take the car up into the garage on the opposite side to where the van is headed for.....then use the winch to haul the van up?
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 23:14
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 23:14
Hi,
Yes, getting the van down is going to be the tricky part I think. My plan would be to have my wife reverse the winch as I push the van out the garage hopefully minimising any slack on the cable.
I am keen though to investigate further on how to activate the electric brakes as was suggested by another response.
For safety, I need to determine how to secure another safety cable or snatch strap in case something does go wrong, I cannot have the van heading down the drive and across the road, though there are no houses opposite, but still could hit a passing car.
Getting up should be easier, as you say, I plan to decouple the car at the bottom of the drive, park the car on one side of the garage, and winch the van up the other side.
Graham
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:27
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:27
Why not fit a vehicle mounted winch on the tow vehicle and fix a mounting point for a snatch block to the floor at back of your garage.
The advantages I see with this set up is that you get a vehicle mounted winch, the car's electrical system takes care of the battery and the mounting point for a snatch block would be easeir to organise and less intrusive than haveing a winch bolted to the floor of the garage all the time.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:49
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:49
Thats a good idea, and a good safety point as
well !!!!!
If the winch breaks, then the 4x4 acts as a brake...........instead of the van careering across the street and demolishing a house !!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:49
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:49
Duncs, the only problem I can see with that is the angle of the cable, with the tow vehicle being at the bottom of the incline, as it would have to run under the van up to the snatch block and most likely the angle would give too much height to the cable and foul on the vans underside, unless you run a complicated series of pulleys.
Cheers from Fred.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:52
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 15:52
Maybe Fred,
I guess you would have to look at the individual installation.
You could always mount two snatch blocks and go around the side of the van.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: RosscoH - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 16:50
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 16:50
Sounds like it would be easier to move house and get a flat driveway.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 17:16
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 17:16
Must be a while since you moved house RosscoH.
I am still recovering from the last house move.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:41
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:41
My tow vehicle is not a real 4wd, currently a RWD territory so have no real need for a winch on the car. I think I will go with a floor mounted winch in the garage as I want to make the pack up as easy as possible.
Thanks, Graham
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 17:01
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 17:01
If it's a short driveway then a Tirfor hand winch would do the job.
Duncs suggestion of Dyna bolting some plates to the floor & fitting pully's to winch off would be the simplist for a power installation or fit a 240Volt hoist in the back of the shed. Have seen a couple 2nd hand at machinery clearances or look at this one on
ebay . 22 m cable, plugs into 10amp socket although may need a slightly stronger unit depending on how steep the driveway is.
Cheers Craig.............
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Reply By: Member - Big Al. Gold Coast - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 19:25
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 19:25
240v
boat ramp winch see them on the
gold coast on the canal homes
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 20:10
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 20:10
How about a front mounted towball on your bullbar/bumper Push the van in with the car/4by and take it out the same way.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 20:22
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 20:22
Hey Willie.......you must have missed the reply to a similar suggestion made above......
Quote (from above): "My problem is that because my driveway is steep, when the caravan enters the garage at too much angle it would hit the roof of the garage. I currently have a Jayco Flamingo and reverse that into the garage but that just makes it before it levels out. We are in the process of upgrading to a Windsor Rapid which is why I am working on a way to still get it into the garage. I plan to winch it up draw bar first which allows the caravan to level out before going in to the garage."
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:37
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:37
Yerrrrrr
well...... better still....Pump up shockies or Polyairs or alike.
Reverse or push to top...then drop van tyre pressures and the pump shockies/polyairs to tilt the rig and voila!!!!!
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - shane (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:39
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:39
hi Graham, i have a windsor rapid and a drive that is hard to get the van up. i use my front mounted warn and a snatch block to get it up. i pull it up backwards though, i also have the winch fitted with wireless hand held remote so i can stay with the van. works a treat.
cheers shane.
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:21
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:21
Thanks Shane, can I ask a couple of questions: how and where do you secure the winch to the van? Does the front jocky lift off the ground as the van comes up the driveway? Do you use any other backup devices should the cable or snatch block fail? Thanks, Graham
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Follow Up By: Member - shane (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:09
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:09
Graham, i have a tree protector hooked up to two shackles, one on each side of the chassis at the back. the jockey wheel does not lift off the ground. i have electric brakes on my van, so have hooked up a safety wire like a breakaway. if i pull the cord the brakes lock on. this is hooked up to the on board battery. as stated before, i have a wireless remote so i can stay with the van.
cheers shane.
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Reply By: PradOz - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:52
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 21:52
Hi - I have the same problem. I own the Swan for all the same reasons. Would love the Rapid but cannot get it in.
I wanted to
check my situation out so I put a huge cardboard box on the top of my van in a variety of
places and heights and took all my measurements after hooking the van up and reversing in/out of garage. You would have to have the hitch point very low if you are bringing it up in reverse to normal ie forwards. Rig up a mock A frame to the size of the rapid on the rear of your current van and see what happens as you reverse it in and to
check out how low the hitch point needs to be and also to measure if it actually lowers the height at front to get it in. I am not sure it actually will lower it enough to work (at least in my case anyway)
I was going to look at some of the power movers (see link), just not sure how powerful they are on an incline or if price justifies them.
van power movers
Take care using dynabolt theory, i would hate to see it sailing down the drive if they snapped or nut sheared off. Would be worthwhile checking with an engineer for advice first.
love to know how how you get on cheers mick
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:24
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:24
Thanks, will let you know how I go, we have just about bought the van so will definitely find a way to get it in! The annoying part is I know the van fits in my garage but just need to get it in. Graham
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross S (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:50
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:50
If doing this use Chemset bolts rather than Dynabolts.
These are similar but use a chemical reaction to bond the bolts into the concrete.
Approved for fixing sheds to slabs in cyclone areas and available in a large range of sizes.
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Reply By: PradOz - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:16
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 22:16
Two other things that may help depending on your situation are -
1. using the low profile
parking wheels which are basically a solid low profile tyre/rim designed to lower your van. It does mean changing the wheels each time you want to park it in the garage. They often come up on ebay and i have seen them anywhere from $100 to $300 a pair.
2. reversing the axle so your van sits about 4" lower. Depends on if it is already done or not and it will also depend on if you need the van to sit higher for 4wdriving etc.
in conjunction they may assist. good luck
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Follow Up By: Member - shane (SA) - Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:16
Saturday, Feb 09, 2008 at 23:16
you can also use a cheap boat winch to pull the
suspension down unto you get under the door.
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Reply By: Member - Tony W (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 10, 2008 at 06:43
Sunday, Feb 10, 2008 at 06:43
25 Degrees is very steep.
If the Van is 1750kg with 25 degrees then you need about 1000 to 1200kg of pulling power. ( =1750*Sin 25 + 100kg friction)
1500Kg would be tons.
If you have 240V power get a 1.5 or 2 tonhoist. It will be safer and cheaper than a 12 V winch and you don't need to get a 12v charger and battery to run it.
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:00
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:00
Thanks, I checked the angle as best I could and it seems to be 20 degrees, not 25 as estimated.
I was wondering what the formula was so this helps a lot.
Graham
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:03
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 19:03
Nice to see a considered and knowledgeable response to a basic engineering problem on Ex Oz, most unusual - thanks Tony.
Mike Harding
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Reply By: Jim from Best Off Road - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 18:55
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 18:55
How about this?
Get a good length of cable or decent rope.
Attach the cable to the van and then to the towbar, with appropriate shackles and pull the thing up the drive. When it is far enough up, apply the van
parking brake and chock the wheels.
Then reverse back and put the van on the towball.
We did this with boats on slimy boat ramps numerous times with great success.
Simple, yet effective.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Graham and Diane - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:37
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:37
A I like the idea but my driveway is only single width going into a double garage at the top so would have to start the car and van from the bottom but would not have anywhere to go with the car.
Graham
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