Nursing a sore face and crook ribs tonight.
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Member - Kim M (VIC)
Went down to the local milk bar and came across this
young fella and his mate abusing the owner. The language got a bit ripe, and because there where women and children in the
shop I asked him to tone it down and get a good nights sleep.
To cut a long story short it didn't finish up
well, other than to say there are people out there who don't respond to reason. As far as I could tell this was all about a minor over charge that couldn't be fixed because EPOS was down.
Thanks to the fella that helped me out.
Regards
Kim
Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 22:40
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 22:40
Kim
I seem to recall you posting something of a similar incident a while back.
I would have thought, that as a Senior Citizen, you would have learned by now to say
well clear of dangerous situations.
The Old World values do not apply any more and many of the younger generation are living with substance abuse. They don't give a monkeys for their seniors and will willingly beat them up if the opportunity arose.
When you get to 60 and beyond you are not as strong as you were a while ago, not as fast as you think you are nor as nimble as you might like to imagine.
Stay out of it if you value your face and ribcage.
Last Saturday whilst refuelling at Horsham and looking at the pump spinning its way to many dollars a
young bloke walked behind the pump and about 20 metres from me. He looked around and yelled at me 'What yer looking at?' I ignored this. He yelled at me again and I looked away as I was coming to my favoured fuel total. He then muttered some profanity, tied his dog to the front of the servo and went inside. When he came out again he said nothing. Sounded like he was either bleep on or on drugs.
The world has gone mad......lol
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 22:42
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 22:42
The bleep translates to p i s s e d
Even ExplorOz is going beyond the pale......lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:01
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:01
Willem, I know where ya com'in from mate, but blokes like CLC50, at 71, Kim, me at 60, and I am sure many others, have trouble turning away from these pr...s. I spent many years in a suit of blue, and will never let myself or any innocent bystander be intimidated by such scumbags, who get it off by inflicting "fear" as they perceive it, whether chemically induced or otherwise.
We do not know the circumstances that led to Kim's situation, but we are all familiar with the picture being portrayed here .
O.K. bring on the do gooders....
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:09
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:09
Kim, saw the heading and thought he's been in a blue again ! When are you going to start being a lover instead of a fighter LOL
I hope the day never comes when I need to step in again. I like to think I'm older and wiser now. The truth is they'd breathe on me and be up for manslaughter :)))
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:12
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:12
Fred........to get involved physically at your age you need a convincer in your pocket otherwise you will get your head kicked in.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:18
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:18
"assault with a deadly weapon"?
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:40
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:40
Why is there no respect anymore ???
Thats whats the whole issue boils down to! Respect.to others.
Axle.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:51
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:51
Axle, right on the money.
But it's up to us to teach our kids the meaning of respect, and I don't mean give em a hiding, and to behave in a manner so that they can learn to respect the most important people in the world to them, us.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:52
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:52
Footy
Yes. If you wanted to become involved. Thats what I am saying.
Axle
Its a dog eat dog world as portrayed by tv, media and stupid computer games. The latter teaches ever so sublimally not to have respect for anything. Poor education and substance abuse coming down through the generations add to the social decline in some areas of our society.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 00:12
Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 00:12
Willem, I could not agree more. Parental guidance is one thing but you cannot protect the youth from the mode of the media. Anything on tv that aims to protect people is repelled as too harsh but the bleep e that gets accepted as normal is also found on special in KMart.
i try, a concerned parent/
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 00:26
Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 00:26
Willem
As usual you talk a lot of sense. Particularly about values.
I did a dum thing, but in all that, a
young fella helped me out.
Yes, I do get into trouble from time to time but it's not for the wrong reasons.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:48
Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 10:48
Respect and accountability went out the window when corporal punishment was abolished from the Court System and any sort of physical discipline disallowed by teachers and parents.
Citizens are now reaping the "rewards" of that way of thinking.
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Follow Up By: nats - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 11:11
Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 11:11
Sand Man,
"Respect and accountability went out the window when corporal punishment was abolished from the Court System and any sort of physical discipline disallowed by teachers and parents."
That's the ticket! Bring back the lash! Some of those better known Islam Sharia punishments would appeal?
nats.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 00:52
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 00:52
No Nats,
It would appear you may be one of the "new breed" who opposes any form of physical punishment. Well mate, look where it has got us. What is your
solution then?.......education?......yeah right.
There was nothing wrong with the Principal or Senior Master giving out a serve or two with the cane.
I received one or two, wasn't maimed by the act and didn't experience any mental trauma as a result.
I had more respect for the teacher's I couldn't "bluff" and it did make one think whether "playing up" was worth the physical punishment.
I also worked out pretty quickly, how far I could push my dad, before I got a clip behind the ears.
The fact was, this system worked better than any other that has been tried.
Now, kids have got rights! They can sue their parents at will, can leave home and be payed by us taxpayers to live somewhere where they are unsupervised. Parents have no control over their kids anymore.......a great system.....NOT!
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Follow Up By: nats - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 08:48
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 08:48
Sandman,
Two issues. One - you refer to the lack of physical punishment in the court system. What do you refer to - flogging, breaking rocks? Secondly, I am astounded that you really believe that allowing principals and senior masters to cane students would somehow create a society where there is reliable mutual respect. That is a big jump and worryingly simplistic. The parlous state of our society has a great deal to do with the loss of traditional values not traditional punishments. I spent much of my working life as a teacher and, in the later years as a high school principal, and the very difficult students I dealt with were often bashed by their parents, unsupervised because those charged with raising them were alcoholics or addicted to other drugs, or the students were indulged and spoilt. Poverty is a huge issue as is the influence of advertising and marketing. Most students were, however, just ordinary people who did the best they could, struggling to form an identity in a world that they often saw as uncaring and scary. Caning the difficult ones would have resulted in more damage to school property etc. Some parents do not have any control of their children but this is not because they do not use corporal punishment. Think about those wretched families you see in the supermarket who have misbehaving children - do they not invariably hit their kids as they abuse them? It is very disappointing and frustrating to see views such as yours put forward as some kind of
solution. The clock cannot be turned back no matter how much we might want to. Many parents work two jobs to pay mortgages etc. and are not able to put the time in with their kids. Parents who ran small businesses were often exhausted and battling to understand their children.
nats.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:34
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:34
Well said nats.
There have been some very complex social changes occur in Western societies over the past 50 years which are far more likely to have contributed to this issue than the absence of corporal punishment: the misconception by many that money/possessions equates to happiness is probably chief amongst them.
Additionally, I always been confused by the logic which says "violence is bad and should not be used as a means to an end - and in order to teach you that we're going to beat you up a bit"?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:35
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:35
Sandman, Nats, Mike
I went from a State School to a Private Boarding School in the 1950's
Corporal punishment was rife in those days. I was a naughty kid who always got mixed up with delinquent mates and almost every week I was up before the House Master or Head Master for a flogging. My arse became so hard after a while that it was a game to us to see who couild withstand the most floggings. After one overdose of the cane I was sent to the school clinic and after that the school doctor warned the teachers off from this practise for a while. However it continued.
As a 'newboy' i had to undergo a year of initiation by my peers. This included a kick up the backside or fist to the shoulder but not in the face. I couldn't understand the meaning of this and when we became seniors our group stopped this practise all together. But is flared up again and in the early '80's a student died as a result of initiation and it ceased forthwith then, forever.
In my Matric year at school a group of us were called to the Headmasters office for some misdemeanor and the Head Master was standing behind his desk flexing the cane. My mate John piped up to tell the Head Master that if he insisted on flogging grown men(big boys) then he would like to remind the Head Master that we were on the 2nd floor of the building and that injuries sustained from a fall could be severe. We were never called back to the office again.
All the floggings I received did not do me any harm( I think) but it was a pointless exercise and I am pleased that later generations have found the courage to dispense with it.
Although we sometimes feel outraged at what others get away with, words and education are of more benefit than physical violence.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:06
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:06
Willem, an excellent example of the "he with the biggest stick wins" philosophy.
Sadly when physical punishment was taken away from parents and teachers, there was very little put in place to replace it.
As a society we didn't ask "what now?", we were too busy trying to make a living.
I was caned once (got the six for laying a kid twice my size out..he told me he was going to kill me and I believed him).
The only thing I learned from that experience was that if you were going to retaliate, do it where you can't get caught and make sure there are no witnesses.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:12
Monday, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:12
As for the hypocracy of violence to teach peace. It's the same hypocracy that schools and society currently parctice in reverse.
"Johnny, you must never ever thump, gouge, bully and trip anyone; it's very very wrong."
(But if you do it really well on the football field, we'll make you a multi million dollar "star".)
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Reply By: Member - bushfix - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:33
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 23:33
G'day Kim,
it's a tough one. On one hand you want to stand up for what is right and defend those who cannot defend themselves. On the other hand, the youth are not what they used to be and as Willem rightly says, substance abuse does play its part.
To enter into a potential "altercation" can result in a life change. This may end up with you winning and the loser successfully taking it to court and winning....you lose your house or the like. Or, you end up in jail or just despondent with society. You could also end up a paraplegic or worse.
But then, you stepped in and defended, and you are a worthwhile member of society, something I value. You cop damage and then start the mental and physical repair.
My martial arts training teaches me how to recognise the potential and then avoid conflict firs,t but then if necessary, enter and be prepared to destroy, and have no problem doing that, because that is what you may be up against.
Yep, a tough one. Glad to know you came off with just a few sore bits. You'll be right mate, good on you for standing up for what is right.
kind regards,
Jeremy.
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