Turbo on the 1Hz engine in LC 79
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 00:30
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Member - Dick (Int)
I have read most of the previous posts on fitting a turbo to the 1Hz engine and I understand the engine has it's limitations. It does seem however that a good turbo installation with relatively low boost of 7 to 9psi will not effect the reliability of the engine and will give roughly 25% improvement in performance.
There are several company's offering kits for the 1Hz engine and some of these retain the standard exhaust manifold and some provide a special exhaust manifold "tuned" to the turbo. Which is the best and why?
Also some company's offer oil cooled turbo's and some offer water cooled turbo's. What have users found to be the best and most reliable.
The Turboglide installation seems to be the simple installation (KISS) as it retains the standard exhaust manifold and only runs a modest boost.
Both Denco and Safari use a special exhaust manifold and also seem to recommend the installation of an intercooler.
I am not looking for max power at the expense of reliability. I am looking for a modest increase in power (say 25%) with no losses of reliability.
Could users of turbo 1Hz engines please give me their feeling on the above points.
Dick
Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:07
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:07
IMHO, the turbo needs to have a proper manifold to work efficiently, similar to extractors the exhaust gas evacuate from the motor faster, in turn spools the turbo up, standard manifold will hinder exhaust gases reducing turboes effectiveness, and I would think would (should) be a lot cheaper.
Oil cooled/water cooled: it's gunna need oil anyway, doesn't need really need coolant(more work),gains with water cooled are they tend not to need idle time in most instances, oilers should be idled down depending on how hard its worked.
Intercooler: definitely not needed, An intercooler cools the pressurised air making it denser, giving more oxygen into the motor, to make it go better again, you indicated you only wanted 25%, this type of set up will give you a lot more than that, but will cost a lot more too.
I own a 1HZ (not turbo) and have done a bit of research into this process due to its performance limitations and would have got the job done 2 days after buying my 105, but gotten used to it now, there where times when I muttered more power please but its always got there.
Another isue is the little gearbox that the 1HZ run, some have done multiple 100000 ks with out probs, others have had 3 in two years.
I now have a chuckle at the sign that says "overtaking lane ahead" ,to me it should read "overtkEN lane"
Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:20
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:20
Hi Shane
Thanks for the comments.
My 79 series has a GVM of 3,700kg and I tow a TVan so I need a bit more power. That is what is driving me to a Turbo installation. I am just trying to decide which is the better system to install. I want to keep it as simple as I can and for that reason have been leaning towards the TurboGlide installation.
I am mindful of the gearbox limitation.
Dick
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Reply By: pt_nomad - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:26
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 07:26
Hi Dick,
Agree with what shane says and would add that is seems an intercooler is also the go. Apparently it is boost and exhaust gas temps that are the issue for long term reliability - piston crown and head damage.
An intercooler will reduce the temp of the incoming air after it has been compresssed by the turbine. Reducing the incoming air temp helps redecuce EGT (it also increases the air density by being cooler and therefore delivers more oxygen).
My mech advises me that air to air intercooling is more effiecient then hotdog water to air intercooling.
I am also looking at the process and considering that I'll be in for a penny and in in four a pound so will probably do a 3in mandrel exhaust also. Best to get it done all at once so that the injector pump and bost are both set up correclty from the beginning.
Paul.
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Follow Up By: BennyGU - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:29
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:29
To keep temps as cools as possible you put the coolest air into the cylinder and get the exhaust gas out as quickly as possible. Hence 3" mandrel exhaust and intercooler.
Bonus of a water to air cooler is that they work at low speeds and at idle whereas the air-to-air only works at highspeeds if it does not have a fan and will suffer heat absorption from the engine bay if doing slow hard slogging and may even heat the charge air rather than cooling it.
I would personally want water cooling on a turbo charger as it would place less temperature on the lubrication cooler which is tiny as all hell compared to the radiator.
Denco diesel do a pretty good turbo/intercooler for the 1hz. Antman out of 4wd monthly had his done and by all reports he gave could not have been happier.
Ben
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Reply By: mfewster - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 08:41
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 08:41
I have a 1HZ engine with Safari turbo fitted. No intercooler. Standard 5 speed gearbox. The conversion was already in the vehicle when I bought it. I understand (on trust?) that the engine was rebuilt at the time the turbo was added and different pistons and bearings were part of the upgrade to handle the turbo. the vehicle is almost on 500,000 km and I believe that would make about 90000 on the new engine turbo combination. I have driven it for most of the 90000. It goes very
well indeed and has given no problems or hint of problems. I am in
Adelaide if anyone wants a look at it.
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Follow Up By: pt_nomad - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:40
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:40
With 500,000K I am guessing that the engine is in an 80 series or that era.
I understand that toyota changed materials in the motor around the time of the 100s. Its the change in materials that have lead to issues.
100s motors that have had cracked pistons can be re-build to 80s specs and then can tolerate higher boost and deliver better power whilst maintaining reliability.
Paul.
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Reply By: Member - Tony P (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 17:51
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 17:51
Hi Dick,
I have a Denco turbo on my 1HZ Troopy.
I had it installed to give a bit more grunt and to try to make the Troopy more pleasurable to drive.
I initially had the Turbo installed (new big end bearings done at the same time) and left the stock exhaust system.
The improvement was noticable, especially when starting off from a standing start at traffic lights and on hills.
I later had a 3inch mendrel bent exhaust system fitted.
I can now accelerate up hills that the engine was flat on before.
To overtake other cars I just put the foot down in 5th gear and it does it easy. Before had to change down and hammer it.
I talked it over with a couple of Diesel mechanics before I fitted the turbo to the engine with about 260,000 kms on it.
On their advise I went ahead with the Denco unit (due to low boost and reputable Company).
I do not have any form of intercooler fitted and was advised by 4x4
shop that did the work that I didnt need one.
So far so good, the Troopy has now done 296,000km and I have had a good run with it.
I tow a Jayco Eagle Outback with it and really appreciate the extra bit of low down torque the Turbo provides when towing.
If you would like more info, email me and I will tell you whatever else I can.
Cheers
Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:13
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:13
Hi Tony
Thanks for the response.
What made you select the Denco over other available systems such as TurboGlide and Safari?
The TurboGlide installation appears to be the simple installation as it makes the minimal changes to the vehicle as it retains the original exhaust manifold.
My decision is not cost driven but rather where I will find the most simplicity and reliability as I travel alone in very remote area's. My 79 Series has a GVM of 3,700kg and I tow a TVan so I need a little extra power.
Unless I can be convinced of the need, I prefer to stay with an Oil Cooled Turbo and no intercooler. This is just for simplicity.
My email is on my profile if you have anything else to help my decision.
Dick
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Reply By: icecold - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 18:56
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 18:56
I have a 79 series 1HZ landrcruiser, I also instaled a Turbo kit 4 months ago. when i drove it at first the boost was set at 10 pounds. then 1 week later i got a 3 inch mandrel straight through and it boosted instantly at 14. and the power increased substantually!
the vehical already was fitted with a boost compensator so i never had any excessive smoke, i then incresed the fuel and still no smoke but an increase in more power.
I do however beleive i will need to get it tuned and have the injector pump advanced to suit the setup i am running.
next job is the denco water to air intercooler in the next few weeks.and maybe tget the boost down also as i think 14 pounds is too high, it might even make it go better running lower boost.
Cheers Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:29
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 19:29
Hi Chris
What Turbo Kit did you install? My engine is a 2006 build and it has a boost compensator installed.
Any additional comments you have would be appreciated, either in the
forum or to my email which is in my profile.
Regards
Dick
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 20:03
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 20:03
Dick, safari, dts, dynamic...all the large reputable brands are the way to go. The manifold is important, the less bends and length the better.... Intercooling will also assist with engine longevity, and give more power, but for a simple boost, all you need is a good turbo. your rev range is 1500-3000 so get a smaller one over a larger one...and dont forget the exhaust...3 inch
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Reply By: icecold - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:00
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:00
Dick,
I have the Safari turbo kit that i purchased second hand from the wreckers, I was lucky though because it came complete with all the bits and the turbo was off a 100 series landcruiser so the surprise when i opend the package was that is had the air to air intercooler where i sold later. I payed $750 for the complete kit. Had it inspected before instal by turbo mob in
brisbane.
I know with the boost compensator the exceleration is smoother, but more responsive with out one. But the benefit of having one means ur less likely to over fuel there fore better fuel ecconomy.
Its a good idea to purchase a pyro-guage( measures the exhaust temp, very important).
Regards Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:09
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:09
Chris
Thanks for the update.
Dick
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Reply By: Middle Jeff - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:03
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:03
Hi Dick
I have an 80 and I fitted a Turboglide to it and it is exellent, it makes touring a real pleasure. The system is nice and simple and just works.
Have fun
Craig
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:12
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:12
Hi Craig
How long in time and Km have you had the Turboglide installed. If you were doing it again would you buy another Turboglide or would you select another supplier.
Why did you select Turboglide?
Any other comments are welcome.
Dick
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:36
Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 21:36
Hi Dick
About two years and over 30000Ks, I am really happy and would install another. I picked it because I know the guy who installed it and he used to have a business that installed them on new cruisers for the mines and did a lot and never had one fail, I also had my motor rebuilt from ground up as it had 33000Ks on the clock.
Have fun
Craig
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Reply By: Member - Tony P (VIC) - Friday, Sep 21, 2007 at 17:41
Friday, Sep 21, 2007 at 17:41
Hi Dick,
To be honest I went with the Denco because that was the turbo that my local 4WD
shop reckommended to me at the time.
I didnt want to spend huge amounts of $$ on it and I wanted a reliable unit. The 2 diesel mechanics I spoke with said Denco seemed to OK. They also said there were other turbo's available, put they were much higher in price than I really could afford at the time.
I would suggest you contact each supplier and ask what backup service they can supply if you do encounter problems while in remote country. For me the local 4WD guys were also prepared to assist if I had problems and was stuck somewhere due to a problem directly related to a failed turbo or blown motor as a result of the turbo. My Troopy is a 75 series so I dont have any boost compensator, so the idea of low boost, reliable design and low cost won for me.
I really have to agree that the 3inch pipe was the most noticable improvement in power.
Good luck in your turbo endevours
Tony
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