Bushmans for midgies

Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 16:37
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Hi all, have just done a search on midgies and how to prevent same from biting. It appears that Bushmans (what ever it is) is quite popular. Can someone tell me what it is and where is the best place to get it in Perth or in Pt Hedland.

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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 16:52

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 16:52
Good camping shops , some chemists , was originally formulated in WW11 by the yanks , [ deet the active ingredient that is] the more deet a product has the better repel of flying insects , Bushmans normal has 20% deet can also get with an 80% deet ,be aware that very small children should NOT be sprayed with it , also it is not exactly cheap , large can at our local bcf camping store is $16.95 ,same size can of Aeroguard is $9. but when all else fails Bushmans works.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:16

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:16
Thanks for that, will go down to the local BCF and pick one up.

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Reply By: Member - Greydemon (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:35

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:35
Have you tried RID? Available in supermarkets and chemists in roll-on or cream. It also contains DEET but not sure how much and I don't have any here at work. DEET is actually quite nasty stuff so its best to use the lowest strength that you find works. I think Tropical Strength Aerogard contains DEET but I have never found that the normal Aerogard does anything.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:58

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:58
Roll on has 191g/kg DEET according to the one I keep on hand.
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Reply By: Member - Graham K (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:44

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:44
That answers a nagging question for me too as I am heading to Arnhem land in August. I have also seen on the net that taking vitamin B pills may help to stop them biting. Has anyone else seen this mentioned anywhere?
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Reply By: Garbutt - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:09

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:09
My little brother lives in Darwin and swears by a mixture of 50/50 baby oil and dettol for sandflies, which I think are also called midgies in some areas. And Blaze and Des, no cracks about other uses for baby oil thanks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Navigator 1 - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:00
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:18

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:18
bushmans the gel variety is 80% deet and nothing comes remotley close - it isnt even good for Humans. Spray varietys are around %20 and are also good - sogood every full strenght repellent (rid, aurogard tropical etc etc) now contains %20DEET
If it hasnt got DEET min %20 dont buy it.
The Gel used to allow us to fish in the Port River mangroves, the mzzies would sit around in a huge cloud not 30cm from us but would not come closer (same as the fish)
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:12

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:12
Hahaha!

So, Bushman's is good fish repellent Davoe:-)))
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:16

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:16
I find plenty of Garlic and Ginger does the job for me.......
Have not been bitten by a mossie, sandfly, or anything else these days.
Only once did I use anything like that and it was a product that was supposed to make the STING GO away......
Did an experiment after being stung behind both knees by a jelly fish whilst being a divemaster/underwater photographer in the Whitsundays.
Since the sting was the same size on both legs I decided to let one leg sting and apply the stuff I will not name that is supposed to make the STING GO away on the other leg.......
Beauty the sting disappeared but the one without the said product hurt for maybe 2 hours before the sting subsided.
To my disbelief the leg with the said product took 2 weeks to heal. the leg without healed in 2 days.
Apart from that time have never put anything on my body including sunscreen. In the sun will wear long sleeves. If getting bitten by anything then also longs
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:47

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:47
Hi Extfilm

A good and often observation - You body puts out pains messages for a reason , and if you can withstand the pain without other consequences , I believe its better to put up with it.

As you suggest clothing is bst first defense , and it can be made much better with chemicals , which at least keeps them off one's skin.

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Reply By: normc - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:56

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:56
Dunworkin, it depends how attractive you are to Midgies, Sandflies, Mozzies etc. I assure you, people have different levels of attraction and reaction to these pests.
I get bitten a bit, but they are a nuisance only unless swarming.
My wife on the other hand attracts every biting insect within kilometers. When they bite, she comes up in great welts, sometimes the size of a saucer. This has a major impact in her enjoyment of our northern travels.

We just came back from several weeks fishing in the Gulf and spent 16 weeks in the Kimberley ant NT last year. Kathryn has tried everything. The best is the 80% DEET creams, if you are prepared to take your chances with cancer. I have no medical facts on this, but we never use it for more than a couple of days at a time, and try to avoid it whe. we can; though it is the only commercial product that does the job for Kathryn. We have read reports of high and repeared use of DEET causing cancer.

We have tried evey commercial spray, including Bushmans, Aeroguard, Rid and many more. Have also tried the Detol, Baby Oil and Metho mixture. Kathryn says the Detol mix is as good if not better than the commercial sprays, but she is covered in oil all day, which is not pleasant.

By the way, before our last trip, she took Vitamin B for about 8 weeks and continued to take it during our travels. No noted benefit.

During the travels, she heard of another 'remedy'. Vitimin E cream with Citronella Essential Oil. She is yet to try this, but we understand there may be a warining for over use of Citronella oil for people with high blood pressure or heart problems (only heard this, but have no knowledge). We will investigate this further and if it seems appropriate we'll try it on our next northern trip.

Midgies won't stop us from heading north at every opportunity, but finding a remedy for Kathryn (and others similarly affected by bites) would make the trips eve more enjoyable.

Hope the bugs don't bite you too much.
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 21:40

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 21:40
Thanks to you all for your replies, will weigh them up and see how we go.

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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:54

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:54
Bushmans doesn't work for mosquitos!
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:24

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:24
Thanks for that info Shaker

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:28

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:28
Shaker , where do you get the idea that Bushmans doesn't work on mosquitos ? ,would suggest you tell that to the mosquitos , Brisbane nth side is under a mossies plague currently due to the drought and a lack of aerial spraying of the wetlands ,the only bloody thing that works is Bushmans due to its 20% deet content which if you did some research you would find was developed specificly to combat mosquitos in the tropics during ww11 due to the high rate of yank soldiers getting incapacitated thru malaria.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:51

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:51
I didn't "get the idea", I found from first hand experience at Dalhousie Springs that it doesn't repel mosquitos.
Also recent tests showed that the most effective mosquito repellent was in fact, the Bi-Lo generic roll on.
As far as I'm concerned, Bushman, like many heavily promoted products just doesn't "cut the mustard"!
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 13:03

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 13:03
Must be some strange form or breed of mossies that you came across as you are the only one to claim Bushmans does not work on mosquitoes , have a look at your bi-lo product and pray tell us all what the magic potion is ? diethyltoluamide ? aka: DEET.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:31

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 18:31
Don't take it personally, I'm not blaming you, just stating the fact .... it didn't work!
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:56

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:56
Dunworkin

Midgies do not bite. They urinate on you and that causes an allergic reactions. Filthy little buggers.

Insects repellents are good. Non-drowsy antihistamine such as “Telfast”help to prevent the sores.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:27

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:27
Thanks Kumunara, Just another question, are these midgies a seasonal thing and if so how long does the season go for? They are fairly prolific in Pt Hedland at the moment so I believe, was wondering how long they would be around for.

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Follow Up By: normc - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 21:32

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 21:32
' Midgies do not bite, the urinate on you' is a very popular belief, but not true.
This is from a NT Dept Of Health media release:

“Midges must take a blood meal for their eggs to mature but do not urinate on people to cause discomfort as it is sometimes believed,” Mr Whelan said.
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Either way they are pesky buggers that drive my wife nuts.

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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 07:20

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 07:20
Dunworkin

I believe they are seasonal.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:05

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:05
Thanks for the reply, at least we can work our way around them!!!!

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Reply By: Member-Granpa Joe - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 17:41

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 17:41
Had a trip up north a few years ago in febuary and the midges and mosquito's were thick enough to carry you away !
On this trip I found the tropical strength Aerogaurd to be working better and for longer, and was also more bearable than the oily bushman spray. Who knows, bushman were looking at changing their formula at the time. It may be better now.
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