Engel Thermal Fuse

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 21:56
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Hi All

I was hoping someone could tell me if I need to keep my Thermal Fuse inline for my Engel.
I have a dual battery system with a 20 amp fuse running to merit female plugs.
I am removing the Engel powerchords cigarette plug and putting a merit on it.
I am not sure what the thermal fuse does and if I need to keep it?

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Reply By: Member - outback2 (WA) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 22:49

Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 22:49
The way I see fuses is two fold...they are there to protect the wiring /cable that they are feeding from over loading and they are also to protect the appliance they are supplying from they same....your 20 amp fuse may be fine for the size cable you are running....is it? ...how did you determine the fuse size?....but may not protect the Engel which is drawing around 2.7 to 3 amps running and briefly more for a nano second at start up.

A 20 amp in line fuse (placed as close as possible to the power / battery source) may still be intact but your Engel stuffed if there is a problem at its end. You would be safer ensuring the Engel is protected by a fuse of the correct size to protect it even though the cable and fuse delivering its power may be of a larger size than it requires.

I have always run a good size cable ( cable length and required current draw determines this, there are charts available), protected that with a fuse at the source and then protected the individual appliances at the other end by their own correctly sized fuse. Usually broken down to a fuse bank at the back of the vehicle with individual leads to whatever I am wanting to run.

In your case you can do this simply by retaining the Engel in line fuse on its cord and just change the male cig plug to match the plug on the end of the cable you have run. OR set up a fuse bank if you want run more than the Engel...lights or whatever OR if you are only going to run the Engel replace the 20 amp at the battrey end with the correctly sized fuse for the Engel...no more than a 10 and most likely a 5 will do

There will always be someone on this forum with other ideas...but I am great believer in fuses at both ends, matched to the expected draw, not an over kill size... they blow for a reason...easy to change a fuse and investigate the problem than suffer burnt out wiring, appliances or worse still a vehicle fire.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:43

Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:43
The engels are protected by a 10amp fuse in the back of the fridge which is in addition to the thermal fuse.
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Follow Up By: Dion - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:52

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:52
Otback2, your opening paragraph just makes auto electricians say, 'come in spinner' as the dollar signs roll over in their eyes.
A fuse or circuit breaker has one, and one purpose only and that is to protect the source of power, and the conductors from the source of power to the appliance. A fuse or circuit breaker will not protect an appliance from over or under voltage, voltage spike or whatever other reason you may think that is what a fuse is for.
Fuse or circuit breaker is to protect the power source and the conductors from that source to the appliance.
On an appliance, a thermal over load is fitted to protect the appliance from itself due to internal faults.
Two totally seperate devices installed for two totally seperate reasons.

A fuse or circuit breaker is matched to the current rating of the conductors, not the end consumer. The conductors themselves are chosen/matched/engineered to meet the expected power draw of the appliance or end consumer.

I'm really surprised there are not more fires i9n vehicles caused by shoddy wiring installed by self taught amateurs.

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Follow Up By: Member - outback2 (WA) - Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:11

Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:11
Hi Dion

before you jump in and accuse people of running shoddy wiring and self taught amateurs I suggest you read what is written more throughly

Have a good read and you will see that your comments on wiring and circuit breakers mirrors what I stated....I made it quite clear that the circuit breaker was there to protect the wiring harness.......( and should be matched accordingly) and the device it is supplying power to was not modified in any way other than changing the plug end retaining the original inline cord

Secondly if that wiring harness is going to be used for other than the fridge then a fuse bank (at the discharge end) or similar is sensible so as to protect that short section of circuit from there feeding device # 2

My knowledge has been gained the hard way over the years because the auto electricians I have unfortunately used in the past seem to have little understanding of how significantly cable length and size affects supply of current or voltage drop and as we all know as voltage drops amps draw goes up.

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Reply By: mike w (WA) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 22:54

Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 22:54
Engel recomend that the thermal fuse only need to be used if using the cigarette lighter plug. It is there because if the heat that can build up in the connection in ciggie sockets. Otherwise at nearly $10 a fuse, if your using any other plug (such as engel 2 pin plug, arrid, hella, merit etc etc etc etc) a standard 10A inline fuse is sufficient
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:23

Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:23
Sonny,

The very first thing I did with the Engel lead was to cut the cigarette plug off the end of the cable and replace it with a merit plug. Like you, I have Merit sockets in the rear of the vehicle and you are doing a wise thing indeed.

As long as you have an inline fuse at the battery end to protect against a dead short everything will be OK.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andy Q- Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 12:32

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 12:32
G'day Sand Man,
Yeah! I can understand the logic of what you say and do as regards the Merit plug(s).
Why not use the original supplied socket that comes with the Engle, unscrew the end of that and you have a fitting that mounts securely into a female plug, screws up tight,(can be supplied where you buy your Engle).
This way you utilise all the Engle equipment without risking warranty or having to change fuses.

andy
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:42

Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:42
Your engel is protected by the 10amp blade fuse that sits in its back panel of the fridge.
Your 20amp fuse at the battery will protect the wiring to the fridge against short circuit or overloading.
The thermal fuse can be ditched when you ditch the plug. I have cut the engel lead at the required length for my truck, and installed male/female plugs so I can still run it from a cig socket in another vehicle. I use a compact inline plug thats used in R/C cars called Deans Ultraplug. I actually use these for all my 12volt stuff. They never come apart in the rough stuff.

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Reply By: Member No 1- Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 13:35

Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 13:35
the service agent here in SA told me to just fit a standard 10 amp fuse
i'll get around to replacing the alfoil one day
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 22:53

Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 22:53
Coke cans are better than alfoil - carry more current ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:56

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:56
I dont drink coke
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