Hey!! You blokes using snatch straps are doing it wrong !!. :))).

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Just watching the new Rodeo add, To pull a stump out of the ground you use a CHAIN !! and if it don't move, put her in 4L and it will fly out of the ground!!, roots an all "))). So come to think of it there is still a argument there hi tensile chain against snatch straps? The strap takes up the shock, but you lose pulling power!, With heavy equipment ,( earthmoving trucks etc in a bog situation) straps are seldom seen. If the recovery vehicle is on solid ground i prefer a chain and take up the weight & pull idea , but its every one to his own i guess.

Cheers Axle.

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Reply By: SA_Patrol - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:02

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:02
No he did it wrong, he never engaged 4wd from the start, he still should have used an air arrestor

How would the greenies like the ad, to them it could be a message for everyone to pull out trees with their 4bys
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:11

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:11
Can't wait to see the outcome of the courst case.........

you know the one I mean, don't you??

Well it hasn't started yet; but it's only a matter of time I reckon.

I can see it now.............

Holden is accused of manslaughter following the death of a driver who was decapitated when the chain he'd attached to the back of his Holden Rodeo (a la the advertisement on TV) and then attached the other end to a tree stump (or similar stubborn object), broke. The resultant missile bleep tered the back window of his ute before taking the hapless bloke's head off and smashing it against the inside of the windscreen...... etc etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Battlecat (WA) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:34

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:34
natural selection
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Follow Up By: Sarg - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:58

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:58
Danger eliminates stupid people
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 13:41

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 13:41
You are such a 'killjoy' you know.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 14:36

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 14:36
Hey Lucky, where you bin hidin' ol' boy??? And don't try to tell me you bin workin"....
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Apr 01, 2007 at 00:23

Sunday, Apr 01, 2007 at 00:23
Much to my disgust - yes!

Getting ready to break out again - on the forum that is.

Hope your re-hab is going to plan

K
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:13

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:13
Did you know that they even make snatch straps strong enough for the military to use on army tanks ! Chains are now old technology (and the are heavy).
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:20

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:20
thats awesome - and amazing.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:26

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:26
Been more hassles with new technology than old!.
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Follow Up By: Camper - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 17:24

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 17:24
Like anything new under development, there are hassles.... comes with the territory.
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Apr 01, 2007 at 00:24

Sunday, Apr 01, 2007 at 00:24
I luv old technology cause it so 'secure'
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:18

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:18
I dont know if your joking with the chain thing but I was of the opinion that you dont actually loose pulling power with straps, the tow car puts kinetic energy into the rope, it is stored temporarily as potential and then released in the opposite way by retracting and jerking the stuck car along. So its actually giving more force to the stuck car that traction alone would, in fact its probably around 10 or more times the force applied to the stuck car than that of the tow cars engine/traction.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:50

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:50
Its abit of a funny one F4 , and really only applies to impulse power anyway.

Always try to use the analogy of practical pulling power here , as the chain actually puts a higher but much sharper spike of force onto the load , whereas as you say the strap allows for a more gradual energy buildup with smooth (relatively) release of energy.

Suppose it depends a bit on your application , I pull a lot of scrub out on weekends and snatch strap is no good for this , but drag chain allows that sharp "root snapping" impulse that tears the scrub out of the ground.

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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:15

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:15
Yeah I recon your right, a chain would put all that force instantly onto the tree, but would likley rip both cars to bits. I think as long as the stump will move then the car would be ok. Actually a better place to try all this out is with an ATM.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve T (NT) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:09

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:09
Hears one for you.

Last year a mate bogged his OKA 13 seater, after jacking digging and putting logs underneath, I attached a snatch strap to the OKA and the other end through a chain attached to 2 6.5 tonne D shackles across the 2 tow point on the 100 series.

The first attempt broke the chain, the second just using the strap pulled it out.

The weight of a 13 seater OKA 6 tonne +

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:23

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:23
F4, Thats the theroy & it works, but if that thing breaks or a shackel goes or tow hook, they then act like a bloody sling shot , very dangerous more than some people realize. If a chain breaks things fly but usually at a low level.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:36

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 20:36
Axle
Now here is a new use for the straps , the load binder type . of which would probably be ok for an extension strap .
Bloke had a flat battery on his Scania the other day , truck had lost air so it could not be jump started by towing as all wheels were locked , so he jacks up 1 dual wheel of the bogie drive ,backs off the brake cam manually , wraps a strap around the wheel about 4 times, hooks the other end to a 4x4 landcruiser ute, driver gets in the cab ,puts the truck in gear and holds the clutch down, landcruiser goes in reverse hard and spins the jacked up wheel , driver pops the clutch and she started ,
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Follow Up By: Aknot - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:57

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 21:57
Doug,

That was a very interesting read, it reminded me of seeing similar thing way back when (cave days) with my Dad and Grandpa starting up the Chaff Cutters way up North, obviously built for purpose back then. Very surprised that someone would think to do that nowadays. Also shows the Cruiser to the rescue AGAIN. I can even pick the story in my mind so I tend to believe it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:09

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:09
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At first I had my doubts as he done the first pull on to much an angle and it slipped off ,second try was ok , I was there waiting to escort the truck to Geraldton in this yard , right where the sqare is on Beard Rd Naval Base WA
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Follow Up By: IT Dr - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:18

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:18
Heh Heh

Now that! is thinking outside the square.

It would have to go in the same file as using a cap of petrol to reseat a tyre to the rim.

It works but Occ Safe & Health would pull a hearty.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:31

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:31
Hi Doug, good one!! have heard about that idea, but have never witnessed it.

Can also work as a winch going the other way , Dunno that might be B/ S but anything is worth a try in some situations.

Axle
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:35

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 22:35
interesting story doug, can you expand on what happened I dont understand.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:34

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:34
F4Phantom
Here it is again cut and pasted from the original post, I can't elaborate much more than than and as I seen it happen,

Now here is a new use for the straps , the load binder type . of which would probably be ok for an extension strap .
Bloke had a flat battery on his Scania the other day , truck had lost air so it could not be jump started by towing as all wheels were locked , so he jacks up 1 dual wheel of the bogie drive ,backs off the brake cam manually , wraps a strap around the wheel about 4 times, hooks the other end to a 4x4 landcruiser ute, driver gets in the cab ,puts the truck in gear and holds the clutch down, landcruiser goes in reverse hard and spins the jacked up wheel , driver pops the clutch and THE TRUCK started ,
You Know the engine fired ,
when Trucks run out of air when the engine is not running , the brakes go on ....hard , NO CAN TOW
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:36

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 00:36
Hey mate . like starting a lawn mower with the cord, same principle
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 14:56

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 14:56
ok I got you, I thought it had something to do with the air brakes and using the LC to get pressure into the system and then use onboard 'truck' features to kick start the engine, I feel a bit jewish, having looked past the mark.
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Reply By: PajeroTD - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 23:44

Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 23:44
No matter which car forum you look on, people seem to analyse the TV commercials a bit too much, and if something is not possible in real life, such as a toddler driving a car, an XR8 ute being a literal chic magnet, a Nissan Patrol driving over a huge fallen tree, and only the CD has the possibility of jumping, an F250 recovering a bogged (drowned) road train or a ute pulling out a stump .... Why analyze the accuracy of it's portrayed reality? A TV commercial is a work of art - whether it be a good one or not. Art is not supposed to depict reality all the time (otherwise it would look like a home video), its a selling tool, to trigger the emotions. There's nothing unethical about that, unless it claims to state facts which are inaccurate. People will sell themselves to buy a product based on their perceptions of it anyway, and not for what it really is (99.9999% of the time).
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Follow Up By: Cruiserman1961 (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 07:13

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 07:13
Howdy pajero,
i do agree with you in principal. What i don't understand is how some car companies deliberately promote aggressive driving, Holden being the main offender in my opinion. The Government spends a lot of money to make our roads safer and to educate our children in road safety, only to be undermined by tv adds showing morons churning up the landscape and displaying reckless, aggressive driving. Garbage like this just ruins the reputation of the mostly responsibly acting 4x4 community in the eyes of the public too. Just my two cents worth, but i dare say that a lot of people will agree with me.
Cheers, Udo
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:52

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:52
Gday
The only thing you have to worry about is the Cherry Blossom flying up behind the old stump,they are usually covered with bees and they hurt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:15

Saturday, Mar 31, 2007 at 16:15
Big red hornets, don't impress me either!.
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