ZD30 help
Submitted: Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:06
ThreadID:
43616
Views:
5904
Replies:
9
FollowUps:
8
This Thread has been Archived
RosscoH
Need expert help, I have a ZD30 that runs as sweet as at idle but won't rev over about 3000 rpm and pumps out heaps of black smoke, engine management light is on, and I have put a new fuel filter on to see if that made any difference.
Thanks Rossco.
Reply By: Member - nrb1748 (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:36
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:36
Is the air filter OK?
Otherwise, the air flow sensor in the earlier model ZD30 are known to cause problems. Worth checking. It's in the flexible tubing on the engine side of the air filter.
The air flow sensor can also cause problems if an after market oil impregnated air filter is fitted rather than the standard paper filter. The oil coats the fine wire in the air flow sensor. Whilst I have not done this I believe the wire can be very carefully cleaned using a cotton bud moist with petrol.
AnswerID:
229589
Follow Up By: RosscoH - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 13:28
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 13:28
Air filter is fine, new one at last service and not been in any real dusty conditions since
FollowupID:
490399
Reply By: GQ_TUFF - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:56
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 11:56
done any repairs just before this happened?
Cheers Stefan
AnswerID:
229590
Follow Up By: RosscoH - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 13:30
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 13:30
No. nothing recent
FollowupID:
490400
Reply By: blue one - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 14:39
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 14:39
The advise before was sound,
check the air flow sensor.
Cheers
AnswerID:
229604
Reply By: jon p qld - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 14:46
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 14:46
Rossco
Get the EGR valve checked, I've experienced several of these jamming, usually shut, giving the same symptoms as you've described, in fact I replaced one on Friday. If the car is still in warranty take it into Nissan, its a fairly common problem.
Regards Jon
AnswerID:
229605
Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 19:56
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 19:56
If only it would jam shut! That’s why we block them.
Most likely jammed open, sending your boost out the exhaust pipe and creating a rich scenario.
Also
check the intercooler hoses. If one is loose or splits the MAF is seeing big air flow, but it’s not getting into the manifold, hence over fueling and smoke.
For some reason your engine isn’t getting air.
FollowupID:
490457
Reply By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 16:13
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 16:13
go to nissan and they will plug it in and let you know
cheers
AnswerID:
229615
Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 19:35
Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 19:35
two things:
Turbo maybe stuffed
variable turbo vane actuator maybe stuffed
try em both
AnswerID:
229659
Reply By: Russel & Mary - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 00:08
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 00:08
Rossco, this may sound silly, but try it.
Go for a drive and when in 3rd push the gear lever to the left and right. Does the engine pick-up change? There is some sort of engine management switch on the gearbox that plays up. Your nissan dealer should be aware of it......part no 32006-23U60.....about $50.....they can fit it in about 10 minutes. Rus.
AnswerID:
229717
Reply By: Member - Bentaxle - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:23
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:23
RosscoH
Check sensor on injector pump, also ther is another sensor on the top of inter cooler unit, disconnect snesors and give them a spray with contact point cleaner
| May the fleas of a thousand afghan camels infect the crutch of your enemy and may their arms be too short to scratch.
Lifetime Member My Profile Send Message |
AnswerID:
229770
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:51
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:51
I shudder at all the listed possible problems listed above and the possible consequences of over fueling these things. (Based on recorded history of these engines)
Best fix...... Sell it!!!
AnswerID:
229778
Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:33
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:33
John,
Good advice, but then someone else will buy it and then he will be on the
forum asking all the same questions again.
Under all the electronics and sensors is a basically good diesel engine that is plagued by poor controls and emission control equipment. I wonder how reliable they would be if they didn’t have a cat converter, MAF sensor and Variable geometry turbo, not to mention the destructive EGR system.
Chaz
FollowupID:
490624
Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:57
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:57
Chaz thats a pretty broad claim "Under all the electronics and sensors is a basically good diesel engine"
Its all those bits that make it go and in this particular engine makes it not go so its fundamentally a very poor piece of engineering to which people who own them continue to try and make excuses for.
Cheers
FollowupID:
490633
Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 22:09
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 22:09
John,
I understand what you’re saying, but I think one of the problems with this issue is Nissan and their reluctance to inform people of the cause of their engine failures. Many people say they don’t know, but I suspect they do, but can’t do much about it. I have to think that Nissans
heritage in developing good diesel motors should say something about the basis for this engine, but we are entering a new era in diesel technology and it seems that much more development is needed. Just on that, if you look into other manufactures that use Garrett VNC Turbo’s, like VW, Audi, Volvo etc. They have all had similar issues with boost control, which seems to be the root cause of these issues.
Chaz
FollowupID:
490693
Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 00:11
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 00:11
I'm not a fan of the ZD30, far from it in fact as both Truckster and I are founding members of the anti ZD30 hand grenade association ;-)
But, I feel Chaz is right and it's not necessarily an engineering problem rather than an engine management problem. The engine failures appear to be a result of poor engine control parameters. There are however, some issues regarding the variable vane turbo's with growing reports of turbo failure.
As a rule Nissan engines are top class in design and you only have to look at the RB26 twin turbo Godzilla engine the SR20 turbo 4 cylinder and the VH 45 quad cam V8 Infinity engines. These engines are some the best engines ever built anywhere.
There are a few reports of the Navara ZD30's expiring but they seem to be very rare indeed but then they use a standard wastegate type turbo that never overboosts like the Patrol ones do. Essentially the same engine with a simpler engine management and turbo and in general they appear to be pretty reliable but the caveat is there are far fewer ZD30 engined Navara's on the road compared to Patrols.
Regards Andrew.
FollowupID:
490723
Follow Up By: Chaz - Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:33
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:33
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I have to say I agree with everything you have said, but one. Personally I think I see just as many if not more 3.0Di Navara’s on the road than Patrols. I wonder what the sales figures would be! If there are as many Navara’s sold, then that says something for our theory about the variable geometry turbo.
Cheers,
Chaz
FollowupID:
490732