Battery inside vehicle?

Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 17:37
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Hi all, I have a dual cab 'lux with the back removed and a flat panel installed to mount the fridge and radios on. Does anyone know the dangers and or legality of mounting a battery inside the vehicle?
Obviously I would put it in a box and there is a way to vent to the outside but is it legal? Would be much easier this way as there is no room under the bonnet (22R) to put it and everything that runs off it is inside as well.
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Reply By: Strahan - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 17:38

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 17:38
Ah back seat that is! Just finished night shift -bit blurry eyed!
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Reply By: DesF - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 17:58

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 17:58
Hi, I don't see that it would be illegal as my mates camper van has one mounted ( in a box) under the seat behind the driver's seat. Also I have seen an extra one mounted in a black plastic box in the back of a 4x4 wagon.
Cheers Des.
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Reply By: wado1 - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:00

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:00
I beleive that a battery in the cabin would be illegal. Check with your local authorities. If it's allowed I'd be using a gel cel or sealed lead acid battery.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:13

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:13
Used to be legal, - e.g. beetles with battery under back seat.

But changed about 10 to 15 years ago with ADRs as far as I know.
(But CAMS allow it though.)

Not legal anymore to put lead/acid batteries in the passenger compartment.
But a sealed battery like an AGM would be OK I think if tied down well.
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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:20

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:20
Doesn't the current model defender have its battery under one of the seats?
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Follow Up By: pt_nomad - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:23

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:23
Far as I know it is under the front passenger seat.
Paul
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Reply By: Strahan - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:22

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:22
1 for 2 against !
I 'm not sure on legal side . Is there a copy of ADR's on the net anywhere?
Vehicle is Tassie registered and most anything goes down here!. Would differebt states have other laws or all under ADR's?
Thanks for the thoughts.
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Reply By: Strahan - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:26

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:26
Failing to get it inside has anyone put another battery under the bonnet of an RN106? I have had a look but its going to require a lot of work to move the air cleaner and also worried about cracking the inner guard as it does not seem to have the renforcement that the other side does.
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Follow Up By: mrbasilbrush - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:27

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:27
I`m not sure what year the RN106 is, but I have the LN106 2.8d and made my own battery tray OUT OF ANGLE IRON to carry the N70ZZ. I replaced the original air filter canister with one from a turbo surf that sits on the guard allowing room for the second batt behind the headlight.
I had to cut off the locator tag on the canister lid so I could point it to the intake pipe towards the manifold.
But now I have the turbo on it so I`ve pointed it towards the turbo
cheers
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Reply By: 3F62 - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:28

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:28
We have the reserve batterys (sealed) mounted under the passengers seat in Merc sprinter work truck (amb)........

Cheers
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:38

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 18:38
Why not just put a decent AGM in as the main battery and forget the second one.

A whole lot less mucking around, no ADR or legality problems, and you can run the fridge for 4 days.
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Follow Up By: Strahan - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:03

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:03
I could I suppose but I am also running some HF amatuer radio gear. It can draw big amps and if we are camping for a few days I think I would the knowldge of a second battery to do the starting.
Also has run inverter and a few other odds and sods.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:06

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:06
In that case, you should be able to mount an AGM safely.

AGM can be transported by general courier and Aust Post as well, so they are safe in confined spaces.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:08

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:08
I don't have a clue about the legalities, but putting an AGM in the back would be fine as far as safety is concerned. Another advantage of the AGM is that you can install it on its side or end if it fits better. No venting reqiuired. Make sure you tie it down well

I have also removed my rear seat and installed a flat (carpeted plywood) platform. Carry 3rd spare, big esky (soon to be second fridge), crab pots (behind spare wheel). Floor for boat and lots more there.
But I also have a canopy, so have an AGM in the back behind a wheel well and beside a draw unit.
Your Lux is clearly not the new 05+ model as there is an excellent spot in it (TD anyway) for a battery. I used to have a 105AH wet cell, but just converted to a 90AH AGM.
Is your Lux a tray back or style side? On tray back you can generally mount a battery under the tray.
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Follow Up By: Strahan - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:19

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 19:19
Hey Norm, no mine is a 1995 model. Its a normal cab on the back with a canopy as well. I have a set of drawers in there too. I don't really want to put it all the way back in there as nothing needs power and it would be longer runs of cable and more holes for no real benefit.
I will look into these AGM batteries. Is that a type or a brand name?
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:00

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 20:00
I was told yesterday by a registered safety certificate guy that as long as the battery is sealed and properly fitted it is legal in queensland.

Reason I checked is that I have an AGM mounted in the back of my 80 series and used the bolts and holes for one of the rear seats (8 seater) to mount the box holding battery.

I also ascertained that if I wanted a compliance plate to change from an 8 seater to a 6 seater so that battery could remain if sold the cost was $110.

Am about to sell thecruiser and wanted to know the options re the existing setup.

Pedro
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 22:48

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 22:48
AGM is a type, not a brand name. Several brands available. Expensive ones from USA, cheaper ones from China, but still very good. Fullriver is one Chinese brand that has had very good reports.
I now have 4 AGMs (3 Fullrivers). Read about them here:
www.fridge-and-solar.net/batteries.htm

Also do a search of this site. Masses of info available on them. Many posters on this forum use them and just about all seem to be very happy from what I've read.
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Follow Up By: mickm52 - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 23:12

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 23:12
I also have a dual cab hilux and have mounted 2 80amp/hr lifeline AGM's under the tray. There is just enough space behind each rear wheel to place a battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 23:13

Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 at 23:13
Norm,
My AGM is a Fullriver and was purchased from Fridge and solar here at the Gold Coast .
It has been most reliable and Val the proprietor is very helpful.

Pedro
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Reply By: Strahan - Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 00:17

Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 00:17
Sounds like an AGM might be the go. How well do they survive under the bonnet? Just in case I go down that road. Thanks for all the help!
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Reply By: P.G. (Tas) - Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 16:50

Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 16:50
Hi, my sources tell me a lead acid battery can be mounted in the cab, PROVIDED .... it is in a sealed enclosure (to the cab), vented directly to the atmosphere. Now where's that angle grinder :-o

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Strahan - Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 17:22

Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 17:22
hmm wonder how sealed it has to be? would one ofthose plastic battery boxes be enough? Easy enough to vent it. There is a vehcile vent in the left hand rear that a hose could run out of.
Sounds like the AGM is the go. Now just have to deciede what flavour....
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 19:27

Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 at 19:27
I have a 100ah version of this from this supplier.

Site Link
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Reply By: meandet - Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 16:38

Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 16:38
Hi Strahan

We couldn' fit a second battery under the bonnet of our V6 4 Runner either. I bought an Optima deep cycle battery 3 years ago and its been fantastic. They are expensive but I am told that under normal charge conditions, they don't give off any nasty gasses.

I installed it via an Engel (Piranha) dual battery management system so the car charges it whilst driving and 2 x 40 watt solar panels charge it when stopped. Its 55 amp hours in size but you can get a bigger one now (not when we bought ours) and we run a 40 litre engel with it. Its stored in a battery box and located on the floor behind the driver's seat.

Cheers
Peter
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Follow Up By: Strahan - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 03:12

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 03:12
Thanks Peter, i think thats way I will be going. The flat floor I have in back has a fridge lock and there is a perfect place for the battery to mount there.
Did your dual battery set-up come with cables that were long enough to reach from the battery under the bonnet to inside?
Not sure wether to mount the unit inside or under the bonnet. I think inside will be a much kinder environment for it. It will be next to the fuse box running my invertor and radios.
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Reply By: meandet - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:26

Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:26
Hi Strahan

I mounted the unit under the bonnet. I seem to recall that it needs a 12volt source that is disconnected when the ignition switch is off, I guess that if the power keeps going to the unit when the car is stationary, it might flatten the battery. The leads are long enough. I had to cut a bit off them and they would have been long enough to put the battery behind the back seat if necessary.

Cheers
Peter
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Follow Up By: Strahan - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:08

Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:08
Excellant- thanks for the ifo. Sounds like it will be a fairly install. Just looking for fuse boxes now. Found the "rigrunner" anyone have one these?
Bit hard to find in OZ but they do ship them from the states for an almost reasonable price.
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