'93 Vitara 6" lift handling test worries
Submitted: Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 00:23
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Jimaholic
Howdy,
I've just ordered a Calmini 6" (3" Body, 3"
Suspension) lift for my SWB Vitara '93 and of course 31" wheels. The biggest worry I've got at the moment is that my engineer and some dude at the RTA 'gravely doubt the vehicle will pass the lane change handling
test'.
Has anyone done this, or a similar lift, to a Vitara and how did they pass this
test and or get an engineering certificate with the new regulations?
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim.
Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 00:30
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 00:30
Sounds highly revolutionary and inovative - keep us all posted as to how you go with it all.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:03
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:03
Searh for the NCOP (National Code of Practice) related to vehicle modifications (try the RTA website). Pretty explicitly says 2" spring, 2" body, and up to a total of 6" lift with tyres. Something is going to have to give.
What may have been done/allowed in the past may not apply now.
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:53
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:53
Hi Garry
That will only apply to mods without a engineer certificate, if you want to get it certified you can do heaps more, my cruiser has 5" lift on springs plus 33" tyres and heaps more stuff but it is all legal.
Also the NCOP is still a pipe dream, every state still has different rules.
Have fun
Craig
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:11
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:11
things have changed.. most engineers will only now go with the NCOP rules, even if they arent "GOSPEL" yet in that state, but some states have taken them onboard.
for the dude asking, why do you need 6inch of lift for 31s? Squiks Jimny didnt have that for 32's.
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:25
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 19:25
Hi Truckster
Not on NSW, had
mine done six months ago and BBM is having a Saturday soon where they will have a bunch of 4by's organized to go over with the engineers and show every body else that nothing has changed.
The only place you will find any info about the new regs is on forums because they do not exist any where else.
Have fun
Craig
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Follow Up By: c j - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:45
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:45
Maybe the new NCOP is not in effect in NSW but it is in VIC.
I think you'll find that Squik's Jimny had 7" (3" body & 4"
suspension) of lift plus cutting to run her big rubber. That said we have a Jimny in VIC running 32's with 60mm
suspension and some cutting. The Jimny is quite different to the Vitara so it is not a fair comparison although you don't need 6" of lift on a Vit to run 31's either. On my last one i was running 32"s (narrow) with only a
suspension lift and I have run 33's(narrow) with a 2" Bodylift + 2"
suspension lift and some minor trimming. Rim offset and tyre width has a big impact as to what is needed to fit a particular size of tyre.
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Reply By: Andrew - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 09:49
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 09:49
Have seen the big lift on a Vitara that popped up in a 4 x 4 mag a while back as a project.
They forgot to mention the steering binding problems, the overloaded mounts, the constantly breaking wheel studs and the diabolical handling. looked good standing still though. It got put off the road till they made it safe by undoing half the work. Expensive way to learn.
regards
A
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Follow Up By: c j - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:40
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:40
What one was this? Sounds like a bad build as it shouldn't have had any of those problems if built right.
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 13:27
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 13:27
4wd monthly
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 13:28
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 13:28
there lies the probem LMAO
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Reply By: c j - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:38
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:38
The 3" bodylift is just square tube and you may have problems getting that engineered to begin with. The 3"
suspension lift does not always measure 3", in fact it can be up around 4". The Calmini
suspension is designed to be used with the weight of a winch and winchbar fitted.
The springs are also very firm at first but they can settle a bit after some offroad use. The handling will depend on a number of factors. The swb has a tendency to let back end step out quite quickly at times and you need to be ready to catch it (the lwb is more forgiving). You will want to keep the swaybar on for engineering as although it works quite fine without it, every little bit is going to help on the
test. The tyres you run and the pressures will have a big impact on it's handling so would suggest you try to use A/T's instead of M/T's and figure out the appropriate pressure to use before submitting it. The rear a-rm mount to the diff uses a heim joint and that may not be acceptable by the Engineer for road use so
check that out. You will also need to add flares to cover your tyres.
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Reply By: Jimaholic - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:14
Tuesday, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:14
Firstly thanks for the info/gossip/hearsay guys.
The engineer who I had a chat to (who also charged me $275 for the privelage!!) wrote a letter to the RTA and they, who I assumed to be also an automotive engineer, said that all the modifications I wish to do are within the new regulations... "however I gravely doubt the vehicle will pass the lane change handling
test."
I was looking at also ordering the sway bar kit which gives you a fatter sway bar for the front and one for the rear(which previously didn't have one). Will this greatly reduce the ammount of articulation I get and hence be counter productive?
C J have you done one of these kits before? You seem to know a fair bit about them.
Thanks,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: c j - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:04
Wednesday, Jan 24, 2007 at 10:04
Yes, I have used the Calmini
suspension but I won't use their bodylift for two reasons 1) it is not solid block and 2) I see no need for a 3" lift to fit the tyre size I want to run. I am of the opinion that you should keep it as low as possible with as tall a tyre as possible i.e low c.o.g. and maximum ground clearance. The swaybar kit should improve the handling for the lane change
test (will it pass the
test? I don't know) but it will hurt articulation. Undo it afterwards or just for offroad use. The front
suspension has travel limits anyway but you don't want to over-restrict the rear. Another option is Whiteline Susoension here in Australia www.whiteline.com.au/ as they list front (24mm) and rear (20mm) swaybars for the Vitara.
You mention that a letter was written to the RTA. Do you have their response in writing also as the mods you talk about doing are not possible under the NCOP currently if that is what NSW is going to be following.
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Reply By: Jimaholic - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 21:12
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 21:12
The engineer has the letter form the RTA but I'm from
Canberra. The mods I want to do are all cool however I may now consider ditching the body lift as this is still a daily driver, when i'm not on my bike.
Thanks again for the help and forgive me if my replies are a bit slow, I'm currently writting this e-mail from singapore airport.
Jim.
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