License test Would you pass ???.

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If you were to undergo a licence test , without looking at the latest handbook,

Would you pass?.........Truth Please. I know i wouldn't according to the Boss,even though ii haven't had a accident for 30yrs ( holding wood here).

My neighbour (83 yr old) was tested last week, second attempt, and passed , bloody good effort i thought. It is surprising what you don't know,or have forgotten, on the minor issues, although common-sense will always help keep you safe it makes me wonder if they might lower the age as to when a test is required . At the other end maybe increase the age, given the latest road toll.

Cheers Axle
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Reply By: Member - Darren T (VIC) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:24

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:24
I only got my license little under 2 years ago, without having looked at a handbook for 14 years. Most, if not all, is pretty much 'common' sense and is pretty easy these days with multiple choice questions on the computer.
They are picky when it comes to the practical side of it though, deducting marks for stopping to far from the white lines at lights, for not turning your head enough when looking at mirrors etc.

In my opinion, I think it`s too easy for young people to obtain a license.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 03:05

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 03:05
darren

what about for old people??

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Darren T (VIC) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:50

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:50
Dunno, tell you when I do the test when I`m old ;)
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Reply By: luch - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:29

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:29
Theory yes you would pass, driving may have a few bad habits but yes

funny about this thread though

Today i got my Motorcycle licence, one of the studends was 75 yrs old (dont ask me why he was getting it !) passed easy
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 10:04

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 10:04
Maybe he wanted to "Grow Old Disgracefully" and join the Ulysses Club.
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Reply By: Member - SKI er (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:35

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:35
Hi Axle,

Up until 5 years ago I "THINK" I would have passed with flying colours. I used to teach Industrial Arts and it was not unusual for a senior student to be paying more attention to the handbook than his dovetail joints prior to tomorrows test. With senior kids iI found it was better to fire questions or listen to other students doing the same at the " tomorrows candidates" rather than swimming upsteam.

So far I have not had an at fault accident in 31 years in Australia
Since I retired 5 years ago I have reverted to the rules that I leraned on in a time warp similar to your number of years ago, be they right or since changed.

Caes in point... a month ago I came up behind a lady or a horse in a very rural area, going uphill (so the horse was barely making progress). It was a fairly wide (3 car but not 4 width) suburban road... there were no parked cars. The lady rider moved to her left I passed her on the opposite side of the road at 1 mph faster than he horse. She angrily shouted at us/me "learn the road rules."

If I broke one I don't know which one. It was the first horse I have ever come upon. If I were a student would it fail my knowledge test ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:54

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 22:54
Hmmm.......Thats a tricky one, Maybe you should have stopped and screamed out WHAT! road rule?.( HAHAHA)

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:24

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:24
I was under the impression a horse was pretty much just another vehicle... Only thing to be mindful of is NOT startling them but otherwise standard rules apply.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:35

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:35
Proceed with caution, i think. both parties.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:42

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 23:42
Be nice if the horsey people(and i know not all are rude, selfish, snot nosed gits) would give a little out there. We came across a group of about 8-10 standing in the middle of the road just around a blind corner on a logging trail... We approached from the side they were on so saw them early. As we were heading downhill, we killed the bike motors and rolled by in neutral. They screamed there guts out at us about startling horses and having some manners... Would love to have seen the looks on their faces if a logging truck had come hurtling(and they do hurtle) around the corner. Have NEVER come across horsey people in the bush with manners.

OK, I'm tired and I've had a few so I'll wrap it up before I get too far off topic...

Good evenin' all...
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:11

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:11
"the horse was barely making progress"

I had that one in the last Melbourne Cup.

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Follow Up By: Blaze - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 02:16

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 02:16
Forget the horse one, what if I was towing a Caravan or boat at 90kph in a 100kph area. (Or for that matter just driving at 90kph).

Scenerio 1
I had 2 vehicles behind me, am I breaking the law?

Scenerio 2
I had 4 vehicles behind me, am I breaking the law?

Scenerio 3
I had 6 vehicles behind me, am I breaking the law?

Scenerio 4
I had 8 vehicles behind me, am I breaking the law?
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 17:45

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 17:45
No Blaze you are safe at 10K under the speed limit however it is an offence to obstruct traffic by travelling at more than 20k under the limit and causing obstruction to traffic unless you have a permit to do so....
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:32

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:32
Not sure your right with this one Mr Faulty, My wife is from O/S and had to sit for a driving test to change her Licence into an S.A. one. She was informed by both the Driving instructor and the local Police that if you are obstructing more than 5 vehicles then you by law have to pull to the side of the road if safe to do so and allow them to pass.

So I can't say this is fact because i personally haven't read it, but it is what she was instructed.
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Follow Up By: Pezza (Bris) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:36

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:36
Hi Blaze,
You may not be braking the law, but on all of the above you ARE being a PITA.

Cheers
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:34

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:34
I totally agree Pezza, unfortunately there are stacks of them out there and they all believe they are driving safely, doesn't matter that they make a vehicle 3 cars back get impatient and pull out to pass when they shouldn't
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 03:03

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 03:03
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 07:05

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 07:05
Pass it!? I'd rewrite it!

13 years ago (having been a driver for 25 years) I took the full Victorian driving test, theory and practice just as an 18 year old would. I passed with full marks. The Vic test is (was?) a joke and fails to adequately examine students. A major consequence of this is that kids are not taught to drive but are taught to pass the test, a practice clearly demonstrated by observing the number of "P platers" who have no idea how to drive and often pay the price of the system's failure by death or injury.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 09:12

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 09:12
I think this article in today's Herald Sun proves my point:

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If our driving test is adequate why is it necessary to spend additional money teaching people from Sudan how to drive?

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 12:01

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 12:01
I personally think no matter what driving test was required, it would make very little difference. most p platers are capable drivers, whilst that instructor is beside them. Its when he steps out & the mate steps in is when all is lost.

Not criticising all young drivers, its always this minority thing spoiling it for the rest.

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:30

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:30
I partially disaree with your commets s to why young p platers crash and die. Sure some is due to inexperience (surely a bit of that is to be expected) but by and large these are bingles of no lasting consequence. Where people die is the 3 old chestnuts which have zero to do with experience
- drink driving
- no seabelt
- speeding (no I am not talking about 10k over the limmit but 40kph upt to 100kph+ over the limit)
have a look on the news next time there is young person fatality and ask yourself how a vehicle gets ripped in 1/2 with wreckege thrown over several hundred metres in a 60 kph zone?
Nothing whatsoever to do with easy tests or whatever
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Follow Up By: Pezza (Bris) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:46

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:46
Hi Dave,
Gotta dissagree with you mate, in the scenario you give it IS the inexperience that caused the accident, not the speed, plenty of people speed in cars and bikes in race situations every week, very few are killed, why ? because most have the experience to be able know how far they can push the limits.
It's not the speed that kills, it's the inexperience in being able to handle the speed that kills.

Avagoodn
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:17

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:17
Mike,
I couldn't agree with you more!

The whole thing is a joke and a very poor one at that.
Driver testing (I refuse to call it education) in this country must be the only testing that nobody fails!
Hell some kids fail finger painting, lovely kids but to stupid to finger paint. Everyone of them gets a licence if they want one!

No competency required, just like the clowns and the ping pong balls at the show. Every child gets the prize!

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 22:55

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 22:55
So race drivers race drunk with no seatbelts???? The proportion of fatlitys of people attempting to dirive as the law requires and those not is completly disproportionate.
as i said time and time again the cause for fatlitys is
- excssive speeding as compared posted limits
- drink driving
- no seatbelts
you are kidding yorself if you think doing any of the above does not pose a much higher chance of dieing for a person young or old.
As an aside more expeienced people die in the mining indusry than newbys----------------------WHY? as above not following procedures
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 23:18

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 23:18
Davoe,
Nobody is disputing that,

"as i said time and time again the cause for fatlitys is
- excssive speeding as compared posted limits
- drink driving
- no seatbelts
Causes death."

The problem is these things have been illegal for decades.
They just plain aren't working.

It's now time to rethink the whole chook raffle.

Try on really truly teaching people to actually drive.

Surely you've met the odd geologist that knows their gypsum from their granite but in reality couldn't drive their finger up their own arse.

That geologist shouldn't be loose on the roads with your family.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:13

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:13
that is my point you can teach peple how to drive really well but those that are actually killing themselves (and others) are doing it via the abovemenioned methods which have zero to do with driving skills and all to do with whats betwen the ears.
As for mining - same thing the last 2 people I can think of were highly experienced people (I worked with one) One stood in front of a cannon that blew him away and one stood under unsupported ground. again to draw the analagy doing things they knew they shouldnt. Zero to dowith experience or skill but all to do with common sense - you cannot teach that
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Reply By: Diver1 - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 07:58

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 07:58
Nathan got his licence at 16 like me - except 7 years earlier - and he didnt know that (in nsw this is for) that you have to give way to the right when it comes to round-a-bouts.....he thought it was stil the old rule of first on first go thing...rules changed about 10 yrs ago.....so have many people that i have spoken to.........same with alot of other rules

so i wonder whats being done about informing us about these rule changes.....i knew about the round-a-bout rules cos it was in when i got my licence.....

would i pass....if i was being tested without knowing it.....no....cos im slack like indicating,stopping at stop signs and looking over my shoulder all the time to see whats around in the connecting streets.....but if i was doing the test and knew that i was being tested ....yes i'd pass....unless there has been a rule change in the past 9 yrs....

just quickly....my grandmother now 80 with alzeimers only just handed in her licence this year....had alzeimers for 10 years.....no test needed until 80....they even put down on the licence that she had alzeimers and they still gave it to her....

Step-grandfather-in-law same thing....86 yrs with extreme tunnel vision..literally (basically blind in both eyes)...and alzeimers - though not officially diagnosed - still has licence to this day!!.....been caught drink driving 6 times in past 18 months and still nothing done.......

only need to talk to local ambo's in any town about this age prob we have.....we are either too young or too old for anything......no one will ever be happy!!!!

Laura
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:33

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:33
Still first on first go with round-a-bouts here...And only ONE vehicle in the round-a-bout at any given time unless it is multiple lane and the vehicles come from the same entry point. Had to do a refresher course for the company I occasionally drive for, at their expense of course... So 4 years ago the above was true according to the testers manual.
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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:15

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:15
If you think about it you hardly ever hear of anyone who doesnt pass there license eventualy do you? kinda scary isnt it.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:36

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:36
Exactly Sam,
Some kids fail finger painting but never fail to get a licence!!

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Reply By: luch - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:31

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:31
No theory test in the Victorian licence test, just the drive.

Then the road simulator Great money maker this one is for Vicroads.

How do you judge distance on a screen ?
Cost you $20 to resit the simulator eash time, not many people pass it first go
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:26

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:26
Thats what i call scary!!, what happens at a intersection with without lights and arrows?.

Axle.
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Reply By: bgreeni - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:32

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:32
I think all this testing etc.. is rubbish. Only experience will teach kids how to drive. Maybe they need a long period under supervision, and this is now the case in some states where log books are required.

When I got my licence many years ago I fronted the police station on my 18th birthday, the sargent said 'How long have you been driving?' and when I said 'For as long as I remember' he wrote out my licence.
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Follow Up By: Chucky - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:26

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:26
Same for me when I got my licence at 17.

Small town and I drove myself to the station and the cop just wrote it out for me after taking a picture. Said he had seen me drive my dad home from the pub bleep that many times he knew I could drive.

I beleive that we need a written and practical test before we give out L plates. A learner on the road should not be learning how to start the car and change gears and apply brakes. They should know how to do this before they are allowed onto the roads. Their time on the roads should be about learning how to drive with other people and gettting used to real road condiations. In Vic to get your motorcycle test you need to prove you can ride the car before you are given your L plates. Why can't we have this system for cars.
A defencesive driving course should also be done before they are given their P's and a advance driving course should also be done before going to their open licence.
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Reply By: HowdyDoody - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:19

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:19
Hi Axle, I am not sure how I would go, been driving for 15 years now and while some of the rules have faded into the past I think that experience counts for so much more as well. I cannot recall the amount of times I have avoided an accident because I was aware of particular dips in roads or being able to see a car but knowing they couldn't see me. As a p plater I probable would have stuck stringently to the rules and had a few accidents.
As a 17 yo p plater (Adelaide) I was travelling down The Parade in Norwood and an 84 yo man pulled out in front of me (he had the stop sign and I was doing 60). Experience would have told me to handle the situation differently and it may not have been as bad. However I smacked right into the side of him. He was fine, I was fine however his wife had several broken ribs and had to be removed from the car by paramedics. Both cars written off.
This brings me to my next point. If I was more experienced I could possibly have reduced the severity of the accident, the driver of the other car had about 60 years experience and he still pulled out from a stop sign. I believe that once elderly reach a certain age that instead of resitting their whole license they should have eyesite or reflex tests. It's not unfairly targeting them, they are in an 'at risk' group. You reach a certain age and you regularly get lots of health check. Why not these two? It could save more than just your own life.
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Reply By: Exploder - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:41

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 13:41
No I don’t think anybody would pass, You think you are doing it right but jump in a car with a experienced instructor and you will get something along the lines off

“ You know how to drive, but you won’t pass the test

And that is all it is, you are taught how to pass a test not how to drive.

just Off the top of my head I could name 12 things I know I would get pinched for during a driving test.

yet.
I passed both my Normal license and truck license first time.

On my car license test at 17, I was passed off in 20 minutes

On my truck license test I was only out for 15 minutes and the Assessor was satisfied and passed me.

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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (WA) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 15:02

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 15:02
Thats what I said to my lad after he came home smiling after passing his test
first attempt. You got your licence now you have got to learn to drive. he Laughted.
To be honest. I have had 45yrs accidend free driving but would not like to sit my test now
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Reply By: Doggy Tease - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 23:00

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 23:00
For to many years now,,,,people have been shown how to pass a test and to "steer" a car from A to B.
They are not taught how to drive,
They are not taught road courtesy,
They are not taught anything about how to handle a car,
They are not taught to "read" the traffic.

Basically they ain't taught nothing except arrogance and stupidity in the large majority of cases.
And yes i do see them every day.

rick.

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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:39

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:39
I would probably pass the test as I sat one(refresher) 4 years ago... My kids on the other hand have the advantage of having some property to learn to drive on as they get older. By the time they reach bitumen, they will understand clutch, brake and steering control/consequences; then they can learn to pass the test.

That is of course if they can see through the dust out at our property, damn dry atm.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:10

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:10
Hi Axle,
If you want a refresher on the move I'll lend you my 16 1/2 year old daughter. She's got her L's and has asolutely nothing to learn on the road because in her words she's "heaps good"

I'd say I'd probably squeeze through on the questions but get pinged on some of my bad habits in the practical.

You've actually raised something very interesting to me, we in no way shape or form teach people to truly drive in this country. We teach them to pass a dodgy driving test.

If our spineless politicians truly wanted to lower the road toll the excercise would be true competency based training and there'd be a percentage of the population who'd never receive a licence.

Instead of just dumbing down the test so everyone passes and then whinge when Darwin steps in and chlorinates the gene pool.

How many of you have worked in building and construction with someone you won't let loose with anything as basic as a hammer because they are just plain dangerous! Yet the same danger can have a licence to hurl 1 tonne of Japanese scrap metal at 1 tonne of Korean scrap metal with an approach speed of 200km/hr.

Think about it!

Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:54

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 20:54
Hi Geoff.

Wish your daughter all the sucess with her L"s.

Been through all that, am now bald, have shrunk, and you could plant spuds on my forehead.

We teach them to pass a dodgy driving test,...Agree there mate, a trip around the block the same route the bloody driving instructor has taken them every time previsouly. I"m stuffed if i know what the answer is, but sure as hell some knee jerk" reaction will eventuate from some goverment dept.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:01

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:01
Oh I'm hearing you Axle.

Read my signature, neither of my daughters believe "Grey hair is hereditary, you get it from children"

Geoff
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