Solid Axle Swap for IFS 100 Series
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:17
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BUSTED100
After doing my 3rd front diff in 19 months I think its time to try and get a solid axle in there. The cash for the rebuild can go towards the job hopefully.
Who are best to ask in the
Sydney area? I'm located in
Wollongong.
Thanks for any links.
Reply By: Rock Crawler - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:23
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:23
Manell motors would be the best to contact , dont forget you will need to change rear diff also due to wheel off set , and get new rims , i have some cheap lol
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:42
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:42
Rock Crawler,
what about just using wheel spacers up front?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:52
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:52
I think wheel spacers are illegal for street use......only to be used for competition.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 21:03
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 21:03
Better with Nissan axles eh Eric, or go back to a 60 series?
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:10
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:10
Yes you can but you need 2" whell spacers , no make sure you use the right diff for petrol or diesel , because diesel diffs run smaller discs , if you eun petrol rigid and you have a diesel , the wheels wont fit over the caliper .
cheers
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:16
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:16
no issue on axles , the constant 4x4 will ware them out a little but no real issue , pluss genuine axles from Don Kiats are only $250
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Reply By: TroopyTracker - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:51
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:51
I'd be talking to offroadindustries.com also in
sydney. They do the swap on the surfs/lux and even Pajeros. They seem to specialise in this sort of thing.
The wheel offset thing could be a pain but your suggestion of wheel spacers at the front might be simplest, cheapest option-although not strictly road legal.
Cheers
Matt
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:11
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:11
Matt, tried there web page to have a quick look. At least there contact details work. I'll try and give them along with Mannell Motors tommorrow.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:58
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 18:58
From what I've heard (may be wrong) from bods that do solid axle swaps on surf's, hiluxes etc they have been asked to do the same to IFS 100 series but it isn't possible as the chassis rails are totally different (wider apart from memory and with no hump to clear solid axle) so the solid front end will not fit.
A solid axle isn't the cure for smashed front diffs either, solid axle 100's trash front diffs as
well, can find a few bods that have done as many as you in the same time frame.
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:09
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:09
I've heard something about the chasis being widder once before, but as for putting in a front diff the 105's (rigid 100's/hilux) diff would probably the last one I'd want to put in, OK secound last the original being the last one.
What's the diference in width between the Toyota and sourcing one from the dark side (Patrol diff)
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Reply By: Exploder - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:30
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:30
I have herd that the 100seires diffs are week but 3 in 19 months how much punishment are you giving them, they can’t be that week can they??
Apparently a Locker strengthens them up a bit.
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:10
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:10
On the week ends we play but just the usual stuff, it's IFS it's no rock hooper
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:11
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:11
On the week ends we play but just the usual stuff, it's IFS it's no rock hooper
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:30
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 19:30
Hi
The ifs 100 uses a different chassis to the solid front 105. It is actually an 80 series chassis with longer body mounts for a wider body...Now, the IFS final drive ratio is probably 4.1, where as the solid diff final drive is 4.3, so there are a few problems looming that you need to consider b4 u start changing stuff
1 why r u busting them??? do u snatch in reverse??
2 have u considered an ARB locker in the front? (They stiffen up the diff and make it stronger, even in the rfs model)
Andrew
Wollongong
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:09
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:09
Andrew,
1. Yes , and No I don'tsnatch in reverse
2. I have front and rear ARB air lockers (front isn't turned on unless the climb is straight- no real turning)
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:22
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:22
I dont know if its in here - but these are the new Draft National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP)
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/PDF/NCOP11%20Section%20LS%20Suspension%20and%20steering%2019sept2005.pdf
Lots of things are becoming illegal real soon
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:26
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:26
Thanks Truckster (Vic) for contacts, will try tommorrow with others
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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:53
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 20:53
Forget the solid axle swap, they are no better. I have blown 4 in my 105, only one on a track I would call extreme. Toyota put a Hilux diff in a Cruiser so what more can you expect. The accepted fix in Victoria is to fit an ARB locker, replace the collapsable spacer with a machined one & check that everything is in line & running true. Under Warrenty Toyota just slap them in & as they aren't diff specialists, they are more likely to blow the next time round. (I did 3 in 20K)
Ring Darren at ATS in
Geelong, he'll have contacts in
Sydney that can do it right. He has repaired over 30 without one coming back that wasn't abused.
Cheers Craig........
ATS 4X4 90 Fyans St
Geelong Sth 3220
Phone 0352 216599
Fax 0352 231826
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:22
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:22
What you will find , is that the front part of the chassis is whats diffrent , you will have to get a front half chassis from a standard cruiser and graft it onto your chassis , for this the body will have to come off . It sounds like a nightmare , but not so bad , . Make sure you get a qualified person to do this job.
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:29
Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:29
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good sh1t these jap jobbies hey.
Buy one then spend your inheritance fixing it
Just joking... couldn't help my self... sorry blokes
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:54
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:54
unlike rover blokes who buy a s h i t box and leave it as one lol
hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
only joking mate , couldn't help myself
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:56
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:56
Touche
;-)
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:21
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:21
Rover guys can always find their way home though...just follow the dotted (oil) line.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 23:12
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 23:12
That's what's got me worried ... coming up for 60K and it hasn't blown a diff, or engine, or developed an oil leak, or broken anything else. And I haven't had to put in an after market
suspension.
Somethings seriously wrong here. I'd better load up a tonne of grog and head bush to worry myself silly. At least I won't be done for overloading, that's a relief.
;-))
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:48
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:48
Here's a thought, why not trade your IFS in on a solid axle and get a GXL interior from a wrecker and swap that over, thats gotta work out cheaper and so much easier.
Just a thought.
Baz.
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:16
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:16
The 100's only 19 months old (leased til 2008), no marks on the body etc
To many extra's that aren't transferrable between 100 and 105 such as Kaymar bar, front bar, side steps etc
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:26
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:26
Oh
well you are in a dilema eh, maybe get a cheapy for offroad playing, say a 60 series and keep the 100 for touring.
That would be better, also can you do all the mods you want on a lease vehicle, consider what will happen when the lease runs out, you'll have to buy it, won't you.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:32
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:32
What about talking to the company you lease the vehicle off, maybe you could work something out with them in reguards to ending the lease on this vehicle to get something else, can't hurt to ask.
I'm not up on lease contracts, so i'm just throwing ideas around here.
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:44
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:44
Why not just fit an air locker? Wouldn't that give you a stronger diff?
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 18:57
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 18:57
lockers fitted at both ends
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Reply By: Member - RockyOne - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:57
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:57
Rosco,you are wicked!..Better watch your "real" diffs ot they will be swapping them in..Reminds me of a "Mad Magazine" tyre rotation..(In the army,much of our education came from these mags..No doubt,it will be reflected in my scribblings)
Park the vehicle in a shopping centre car
park along side a vehicle with similar wheels but lots more rubber..A series of arrows dictated the direction of "swapping" Their front l/h tyre to your front left hand etc..You both drive away with different rubber,but only one of you has been "re-rubbered"in a positive manner..Feeling the effects of stress? Maybe it's just what you need to chill out.A copy of "Mad Magazine" And I don't even get a kick-back.Yet!..Have fun..Jus don't take life to seriously..It's all just a game..RockyOne
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Reply By: fatz - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:46
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:46
You can do anything as long as you are willing to pay for it. I'm guessing it's the front diff you keep busting. You could do a solid axel swap but you will have to change front and rear and possibly your driveshafts. Not sure on the ratios in a petrol GXL but the diesels are 4.3, none of this will be cheap and will have to be engineered. If you change your ratios you will throw your speedo out. I'm sorry to say but - you may need to have a look at your driving style!! 3 diffs in that time is pretty hard on the pocket! It would probably cost you less to Buy a fairly nex GXL and drop a v8 chev diesel into it if you want grunt. With regards to crackles comments about the solid axel not being much better, I hav a HZJ 105 with an aftermarket turbo. I tow a camper trailer everywhere and give it a good flogging off road and have yet to bust a diff. I do
rock , sand mud and anything else that I can throw at it. It has done 175,000k's and 70 of these were in a coal
mine in Vic. The olly major drama I have had was a transfer case issue.
Chaos in silverwater (if you can get hold of them) may be able to help if you really want to do this...but I'd
check with the bank first.
Good luck with it!
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Reply By: BUSTED100 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 19:04
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 19:04
I take things on fairly slowly due to my lack clearance, and I don't bounce the thing over rocks etc
Diff 1. whent before front locker installed
Diff 2. whent due to giving it a little bit of a hard
Diff 3. hasn't really had to do anything at all
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:51
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:51
Busted what actually broke in the diffs each time.
Did it strip teeth of the crown wheel or something else?
I have ARB lockers front and rear and have also stripped 5 teeth of the front crown wheel, Doing a track that I didn't regard as to extreme.
Make matter worse, IFS 100 Series on the same trip/track did the same.
Two diff's on the sane track must be a record.
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Reply By: BUSTED100 - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:10
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:10
teeth off the crown wheel on all three occassions
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:45
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:45
Apart from your diff woes, which is a total PITA I agree, are you happy with the performance of your tyres.
Apologies for my earlier thread, it was late and I was very tired .. ;-)
Cheers
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 16:11
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 16:11
they seem alright, and all my mates seem to like them on there rides also. One mate sacked his new Cooper STT for a set
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Reply By: wazzarrr - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:48
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:48
ive a 2002 ifs td 100 and we give this a good going at most tracks.
The boys we travel with have patrols and 80 series live axels .
mate you must be flogging the shiiit out this truck .
wehave travelled over the past 3 yaers some of the hardest track in the
vic high country ad none of our trucks have ever broken anything ,as for myself having an ifs you should know that you drive them a little different to a live axel .
remember the
turtle and the hare... slowerly slowerly wins the race.
wazzarrr
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Follow Up By: wazzarrr - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:17
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:17
Ive heard that Cheezy in bayswater VIC does live AXEL REPLACEMENTS
mAYBE HE CAN HELP YOU
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Follow Up By: BUSTED100 - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 16:20
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 16:20
I'm copping in from the mates for taking some things too slow, you know once bitten twice shy but three times. some mates feel it could be the guys which put the locker in.
1. busted the front diff (1) and Toyota repaired it, a week latter I took it in and had front and rear lockers put in by a store near by. I did a CV my bad.
2. Front diff (2) goes doing a trail some
rock steps but It wasn't bouncing around I was easing it up as you would your family
sedan up over those rolled gutters. (work carried out by the buisness who did my lockers)
3. Front diff (3) goes driving a bloody dirt road???????????
SAS TIME
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